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Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Posted on: February 18, 2011 10:06 am
Edited on: February 18, 2011 11:30 am
Report: Reggie Miller fails to make cut for Hall of Fame finalists despite stellar career. 
Posted by Matt Moore

Indiana is not having an awesome sports stretch. Watched Duke best local heroes Butler in the Final Four, just months after watching Drew Brees do his thing on Peyton Manning. But nothing is really going to match the outrage that's likely raging across the Hoosier State this morning. 

The New York Times and Yahoo! Sports report that Reggie Miller failed to make the cut of finalists for the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. Which is, you know, kind of insane. 

Miller held the all-time record for three-pointers until a week ago when Ray Allen rained down. Miller played 18 seasons, all for the Pacers, back when guys still played their entire career for small-market teams. He was a 5-time All-Star, an Olympic Gold Medal winner, and is 17th All-Time in points scored in his career. Throw in all the huge moments, the fact that he's the reason we use the phrase "8 points, 9 seconds" (not just a blog, friends!) and make choking signs at Spike Lee, it's really hard to see where the voters were coming from on this one. 

The other candidates certainly had some worthy selections. Tex Winters, Dennis Rodman, Don Nelson,  Rudy Tomjanovich, and Dick Bavetta, and Spencer Haywood are all strong candidates. But outside of Winters and Nelson, who provided long-term contributions to the game that can't be replicated, is any of those candidates necessarily more worthy than Miller? Rodman is a top-three rebounder of all time, if not the best, but is also more known for his... ahem, eccentricities and was able to mosey on over to ride Jordan's coattails to titles. Hard to pinpoint that Miller wasn't his superior in overall play. 

The knock on Miller always comes back to the idiotic championship question. As if a player's singular talents can impact the dozens of things necessary for a player to win a championship including but not nearly limited to luck. We're not even talking about actually being voted in, here, we're just talking about making the cut. Voters didn't think that Reggie Miller, despite his place in the game's history, had enough to even warrant being a finalist. It is at this point we're reminded that no Hall of Fame is run under an adequate system.

Miller's numbers don't leap off the page, a career 18, 3, and 3 guy. But in his peak he was what made the Pacers a Finals contender and right up until his final season, he was part of what made the Pacers contenders. 

But that's all for naught, as he'll have to wait another year. 

Since: Mar 24, 2009
Posted on: February 24, 2011 1:34 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

That's perfect. Nice post Red Wings

Since: Sep 20, 2010
Posted on: February 21, 2011 11:56 am

Reggie denied, ouch

I've seen some good posts about Reggie being young in the process, obviously not Michael Jordan, and Rodman being deserving. Reggie has got the stats, I looked them up; Rodman's stats are questionable to me. He averaged 13.1 rebounds and 7.6 points during the regular season and 9.9 rebounds and 6.4 points in the playoffs; so his numbers went down in the playoffs and by a lot. Dennis' playoff numbers don't say HOF to me; they say role player. The man was traded twice and released three times. So five different teams got tired of him. How many different teams got tired of Reggie; None. Reggie's numbers went up in the playoffs not down. Dennis didn't become a big rebounder until he was 29 years old (look it up). Also check out how much money Rodman made for his career under 27 million and he played until he was 38. And when is Detroit retiring his jersey, oh yeah on April fools. What does that really mean?

Again I'll say that I am not a Reggie Miller or Pacers fan but a guy that respects his talent; yep no rings but it is a team sport. I think some folks are only judging Rodman on like 6 years of his career and not the whole career; so then judge Reggie on 6 years of his career and you'll get 22 points. I just lookded up his stats again and he was averaging 15 points at age 39 that's freakin awesome.

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: February 19, 2011 3:41 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

While I loved watching Chris Mullin from his St. John days onward, to put him on a Hall of Fame ballot before/ahead of Reggie Miller is embarrassing.

Mullin and Miller were contemporaries and essentially played the same position (except when on the court together).  Stack Miller's stats up against Mullin's and I don't even think it's close.  Miller played two more seasons but racked up the equaivalent of five more season's worth because of Mullin's inability to stay healthy once he approached 30 while Miller averaged 75 starts a season beyond the age of 35.  Miller scored over 7300 points more than Mullen, out rebounded Mullen, shot a higher free throw percentage, and retired the all-time 3-point shooter in the history of the game.

Nobody should question that Miller was a more clutch player-- just ask anybody in the New York metropolitan area.  And if a certain Michael Jeffrey Jordan didn't play the same time as Miller, we also might not be kicking around the "he didn't win a championship" issue.  While I believe it's a slightly flawed process, the one thing the Baseball Hall of Fame has right is putting all the players one could consider as possible Hall of Famers and letting the voters decide.  If Miller was on the ballot and the numbers didn't go his way yet, that's another story.  But to have a somewhat secret process where the ballot is assembled just doesn't make sense.  Put his name out there and let the voters decide.

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 11:59 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Why are individual players always judged on how many championships they have?  I thought teams won championships.  Guess I'm wrong.

Since: Jan 4, 2010
Posted on: February 18, 2011 10:40 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

michael jordan. theres a more clutch player that im sure you saw.
reggie was good, never great

Since: Feb 9, 2011
Posted on: February 18, 2011 10:18 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

reggie wasnt a winner.

You can't be serious.  I have never seen more of a clutch player.  Whether he won a title or not, he was absolutely a winner.

Since: Feb 18, 2010
Posted on: February 18, 2011 6:53 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Reggie is way younger than all the other people in his category, so will have ample opportunity for the HOF in the years to come. I love Reggie, and he will get in.

To insinuate that Dennis Rodman should not be in the HOF would be ridiculous. Arguably the greatest rebounder of all time, 5 TIME NBA CHAMP! Without a doubt a first ballot player.

Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: February 18, 2011 5:46 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

reggie wasnt a winner.

Since: Sep 20, 2010
Posted on: February 18, 2011 5:45 pm

Reggie denied?????

Some of you writers out there need to go and check out the career stats and see who is in the HOF. I did not want to see Reggie with the ball in his hands at the end of a close game because he was a winner! Period. He is 17th in combined ABA/NBA points and 15th for NBA only. Oh yeah the ABA played a lot of defense. He played in 144 playoff games and his average went up by almost 3 points a game when total game points would go down by like 10-12 a game. Reggie is the only non playing guy not in the HOF with his kind of points. Larry Bird is a few thousand points behind Reggie!!!! What??? Someone brought up Pippen, well Reggie is nearly 7000 points ahead of him!! Look it up. I am not a fan of Miller's but that's because he beat my team a few times and it was annoying but I do respect his talent.

Truth be told there are probably way too many players in the HOF but it wouldn't be fair to change the process now. I was just thinking about the HOF list and clutch time and Reggie would have to be very high on the list and who would want some of those other guys for crunch time.

 How many clutch shooters are there in the NBA right now? Not many and Reggie is just a good player or 15th best scorer of all time and he played til he was like 40. Wow. Don't know how many guys raised their playoff averages but Reggie did and he sure scored a lot more points than a bunch of other HOF players and was that hard to find clutch guy. I'll take him and most Knicks guys would also.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 5:44 pm

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Most of the fans expressing grievances over the absence of Reggie Miller as a finalist to the H.o.F. have not suggested that Miller's career is the golden standard for induction into the H.o.F., but what most find to be inconceivable is the exclusion of Miller as a finalist to the inclusion of others (i.e. Rodman).  To this end, I have to agree, and I believe it would make a mockery of the H.o.F. selection process to have Rodman named an inductee in the same year that Miller was rejected as simply a finalist.  Rodman may be deserving of "hall of famer" status but certainly not before Miller is bestowed the same honor.     

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