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Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Posted on: February 18, 2011 10:06 am
Edited on: February 18, 2011 11:30 am
 
Report: Reggie Miller fails to make cut for Hall of Fame finalists despite stellar career. 
Posted by Matt Moore

Indiana is not having an awesome sports stretch. Watched Duke best local heroes Butler in the Final Four, just months after watching Drew Brees do his thing on Peyton Manning. But nothing is really going to match the outrage that's likely raging across the Hoosier State this morning. 

The New York Times and Yahoo! Sports report that Reggie Miller failed to make the cut of finalists for the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. Which is, you know, kind of insane. 

Miller held the all-time record for three-pointers until a week ago when Ray Allen rained down. Miller played 18 seasons, all for the Pacers, back when guys still played their entire career for small-market teams. He was a 5-time All-Star, an Olympic Gold Medal winner, and is 17th All-Time in points scored in his career. Throw in all the huge moments, the fact that he's the reason we use the phrase "8 points, 9 seconds" (not just a blog, friends!) and make choking signs at Spike Lee, it's really hard to see where the voters were coming from on this one. 

The other candidates certainly had some worthy selections. Tex Winters, Dennis Rodman, Don Nelson,  Rudy Tomjanovich, and Dick Bavetta, and Spencer Haywood are all strong candidates. But outside of Winters and Nelson, who provided long-term contributions to the game that can't be replicated, is any of those candidates necessarily more worthy than Miller? Rodman is a top-three rebounder of all time, if not the best, but is also more known for his... ahem, eccentricities and was able to mosey on over to ride Jordan's coattails to titles. Hard to pinpoint that Miller wasn't his superior in overall play. 

The knock on Miller always comes back to the idiotic championship question. As if a player's singular talents can impact the dozens of things necessary for a player to win a championship including but not nearly limited to luck. We're not even talking about actually being voted in, here, we're just talking about making the cut. Voters didn't think that Reggie Miller, despite his place in the game's history, had enough to even warrant being a finalist. It is at this point we're reminded that no Hall of Fame is run under an adequate system.

Miller's numbers don't leap off the page, a career 18, 3, and 3 guy. But in his peak he was what made the Pacers a Finals contender and right up until his final season, he was part of what made the Pacers contenders. 

But that's all for naught, as he'll have to wait another year. 
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Since: Aug 4, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 5:04 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Mr. Moore, other than the 8 points in 9 seconds and a few other highlight games at Madison Square Garden Reggie Miller had an average career. His career numbers say it all 18-3 and 3 are no Hall numbers. It sounds as if Mr. Moore is caught in the ESPN realm where a career can be defined by the number of highlights or 3 pointers you make in a career.
This part right here blows the whole Reggie Miller for the Hall argument:
  "He was a 5-time All-Star, an Olympic Gold Medal winner, and is 17th All-Time in points scored in his career. Throw in all the huge moments, the fact that he's the reason we use the phrase "" (not , friends!) and , it's really hard to see where the voters were coming from on this one." 
I think a few stats that stand out the most are the 5 all-star appearances in 18 years and 17th in scoring. I'm not really big on the whole you have to have a championship to get into the HOF (in any sport). But the reality is that Reggie had a very pedestrian career, it just lasted a long time and benefited from ESPN highlights . Truth be told, his career lasted as long as it did because he was primarily a jump shooter who didn't exert much effort on the defensive end of the court. All in all he was a good player and good for the game so if and when he ever gets in I'll applaude his for his efforts. 



Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 4:42 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

I'm sorry, but 18/3/3 with no rings does not get you into the HOF.



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 4:25 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Very good analysis by the 'ol ballcoach'....although numbers are a big factor, they are not as relevant compared to other sports.  I certainly believe Reggie should be a HOFer, yet it is a borderline call.  However, the fact that he's not nominated over limited players like Rodman & Haywood is CRAZY!!  It seems for all sports, the HOF nomination and voting process have become highly questionable and need updating.



Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: February 18, 2011 4:03 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

I hate Reggie Miller more than any player other than James Posey, but he definitely needs to be in the Hall of Fame.  This is ridiculous.



Since: Dec 27, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 4:00 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Ray Allen is another good comparison because he is a similar player to Miller. He has a higher ppg than Miller. And has been a 10x all-star, twice the number of Miller.He is a better passer and rebounder than Miller was and he recently broke Miller's record for 3-pointers made. He also has an NBA title.

Allen is one of my favorite players back to his UCONN days, but I don't think he is a Hall of Famer yet. Win one more title then it will be much more likely. But if he is very borderline and probably not in yet, how could Miller be in?



Since: Dec 27, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 3:44 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Compare Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton

Miller averaged 18.2 points for his career. Hamilton is at 17.9 (and falling).

Miller was a 5-time all-star

Hamilton was a 3-time all-star

Hamilton won an NBA title, Miller never did.

Now, let me say that Reggie Miller was the better player. That said, statistically, he is not that much better. Miller gets bonus points for being such a 3-point threat and so phenomenal in the clutch. But, just because he was a great shooter and incredibly clutch does not, in my opinion, move him into the HOF.

In his best year (24 points a game) Miller was the 8th highest scorer in the league. Outscored by: Jordan, Malone, Ewing, Tom Chambers, Wilkins, Barkley, Chris Mullin.

Chris Mullin is a great comparison to Miller because they were very similar players at the same time period. Over their careers they had the exact same average, but Mullin had some bigger years. Miller's biggest year was 24 ppg, Mullin beat that 5 times!!! Both were five time all-stars, but Miller never was better than 3rd team all-nba. Mullin was 1st or 2nd team three times.

One more comparsion: Tracy McGrady

McGrady averaged 21 points a game, was a 7 time all-star, 7-time all nba and twice led the league in scoring. He was also a solid passer and rebounderr. No way McGrady should be in the HOF, but his stats dwarf Millers.



Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: February 18, 2011 3:44 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Who the hell was Spencer Haywood? I guess they didnt want great players over shadowing the coaches. Winters, Rudy and Nelson should all go in, Rodman was a role player for crying out loud, granted greatest rebounder not named Barkley, but he sure wasnt looked upon taking a last second shot like Reggie. Reggie was the captain of his team, Rodman was the trouble maker, Reggie was a leader, Rodman was a hard head. If Rodman could make at least the cut WHY NOT REGGIE!... Hope this wont be another example of great players being pushed aside, like NFL's Cris Carter... 



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 3:42 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

I personally think he should be in the HOF. But not by a huge margin. The guy was a great offensive player and a slightly above average defender. But he hit a ton of big shots when it counted. Based on his offensive numbers and what he did for the Pacers when he was there, I would give him the nod.



Since: Dec 27, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 3:26 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

lovinMSU,

you really don't know what you're talking about. dipwad? wow, that is just sad :)

first:

Miller was a guard, not a small forward. Tall enough for small forward but too skinny. Plus, plenty of small forwards score a lot of points, so I don't know why it matters anyway. Derrick McKey started at small forward for years with Smits, Dale Davis, Miller and Jackson.

He was not a "great defender." He was not terrible, but clearly not a great defender. Hence he never made the all-defense team.

No question that he was one of the greatest shooters and clutch players of all time. But this alone does not get you into the hall of fame.

Look I loved watching Reggie Miller light people up...but ultimately he was a great shooter, a good, not great, scorer, an average defender at best, a poor passer, poor rebounder who never won anything even and never once made second team all NBA. He's not a hall of famer.



Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: February 18, 2011 3:15 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

I can surely understand why Reggie is not in the Basketball Hall of Fame. First he is Cheryl’s little brother who attended the right college. Reggie on the other hand decided to attend that other school, which put him at a distinct disadvantage.

Had he gone to the correct school of Cardinal and Gold he might have even been drafted by one of the Los Angeles professional basketball teams.

I know that one day when Spike is asked to be a quest Hall of Fame voter he will immediately be selected and inducted the same day.

I am not all the impressed with his numbers other than the 3 point record he had and held for a few years after retirement. Impressive in itself.

He was a clutch shooter, for his team and won a few games in doing this. Since I did not follow the Pacers that much and was not really in tune to them until after the fight in Detroit. The teams I was aware of were the Chicago Bulls, and Detroit Pistons in that era. The Pacers would almost always make the playoffs but the NBA finals seemed to always elude them.

I can never remember him being on the all defensive team, ever. I can never remember any reporter or game announcer or even a reporter lauding him for his defensive play.   Therefore I can only come to the conclusion that his ability was limited to offense as he was an All Pro several years.
 

I think that at some time in the future he will be selected to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame, but today was not that day.


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