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Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Posted on: February 18, 2011 10:06 am
Edited on: February 18, 2011 11:30 am
 
Report: Reggie Miller fails to make cut for Hall of Fame finalists despite stellar career. 
Posted by Matt Moore

Indiana is not having an awesome sports stretch. Watched Duke best local heroes Butler in the Final Four, just months after watching Drew Brees do his thing on Peyton Manning. But nothing is really going to match the outrage that's likely raging across the Hoosier State this morning. 

The New York Times and Yahoo! Sports report that Reggie Miller failed to make the cut of finalists for the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. Which is, you know, kind of insane. 

Miller held the all-time record for three-pointers until a week ago when Ray Allen rained down. Miller played 18 seasons, all for the Pacers, back when guys still played their entire career for small-market teams. He was a 5-time All-Star, an Olympic Gold Medal winner, and is 17th All-Time in points scored in his career. Throw in all the huge moments, the fact that he's the reason we use the phrase "8 points, 9 seconds" (not just a blog, friends!) and make choking signs at Spike Lee, it's really hard to see where the voters were coming from on this one. 

The other candidates certainly had some worthy selections. Tex Winters, Dennis Rodman, Don Nelson,  Rudy Tomjanovich, and Dick Bavetta, and Spencer Haywood are all strong candidates. But outside of Winters and Nelson, who provided long-term contributions to the game that can't be replicated, is any of those candidates necessarily more worthy than Miller? Rodman is a top-three rebounder of all time, if not the best, but is also more known for his... ahem, eccentricities and was able to mosey on over to ride Jordan's coattails to titles. Hard to pinpoint that Miller wasn't his superior in overall play. 

The knock on Miller always comes back to the idiotic championship question. As if a player's singular talents can impact the dozens of things necessary for a player to win a championship including but not nearly limited to luck. We're not even talking about actually being voted in, here, we're just talking about making the cut. Voters didn't think that Reggie Miller, despite his place in the game's history, had enough to even warrant being a finalist. It is at this point we're reminded that no Hall of Fame is run under an adequate system.

Miller's numbers don't leap off the page, a career 18, 3, and 3 guy. But in his peak he was what made the Pacers a Finals contender and right up until his final season, he was part of what made the Pacers contenders. 

But that's all for naught, as he'll have to wait another year. 
Comments

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 1:47 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

"Miller did not participate in the 1992 Olympics as he was actually part of the "Dream Team III" in 1996, in which he won a Gold Medal."

My point being that Miller could NOT have "road the coat tails of Jordan, Magic, ...[or] Byrd" because NOT ONE OF THOSE THREE were on the 1996 USA Olympic Basketabll Team.  So please, don't try and diminish that accomplishment.



Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 1:40 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Has anyone really taken a look at his career and his numbers and think at first glance he Deserves to be in? Well, if anyone DID, than they would see that other than hitting 3 pointers, the guy couldn't do much. Rebound? nope. Assist? Pedestrian 3 per game. How about playoff success? NBA finlas once...once. And don't give me or anyone that...well he won Olympic gold crap. He didn't win it...Jordan, Magic, Bird won it and the rest were tag-alongs for the ride.

Wow, how off point can one get; a little bit of thought and research goe a long way.  Miller did not participate in the 1992 Olympics as he was actually part of the "Dream Team III" in 1996, in which he won a Gold Medal.  Miller was also part of the 1994 FIBA USA team that won the Gold Medal.  And although he never won an NBA Championship, I think his "playoff" success (e.g. high scoring, clutch shooting) is self-evident to most.  The rest of his accolades follow:

  • All-time NBA leader in total three-point field goals made: 2,560
  • Ranks 13th all-time in total points: 25,279
  • Ranks 7th all-time in free throw percentage: 88.8 percent
  • Ranks 6th all-time in minutes played: 47,619
  • Ranks 7th all-time in games played: 1,323
  • All-time NBA leader in total three-point field goals made in the playoffs: 320
  • Led the league twice in three-point field goals made: 1992-93, 1996-97
  • Led the league in free throw percentage five times, including his last season
  • One of only four players in NBA history to have shot 50 percent from the field, 40 percent from three-point range and 90 percent from the free throw line in one season
  • 5-time NBA All Star
  • 6 Eastern Conference Finals appearances
  • 1 NBA Finals Appearance

    So, Mr. X-Factor, or whatever your screen name was, please show some objectivity.




Since: Jan 13, 2011
Posted on: February 18, 2011 1:16 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

He also could not played sub par defense.
Heh, me neither too. I can't jump, can't rebound or play defense but, I make up for it by being slow.



Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: February 18, 2011 1:02 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Another reason he might not be going to the HOF is because his sister was better than him.
Cheryl Miller was better than almost all of the basketball players of that era, period.  MJ > Cheryl.  Cheryl > everyone else.  I don't see how you can hold that against him just because they are related.



Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 1:01 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

LovinMSU...get your facts straight buddy. Not a guard? WOW, what would you call "shooting guard" then? Reggie Miller. Would everyone shut the hell up and STOP complaining!!! So he hit some big shots against the Knicks over the years. I didn't realize that all you had to do was beat the Knicks a few times in your career to make the Hall. Has anyone really taken a look at his career and his numbers and think at first glance he Deserves to be in? Well, if anyone DID, than they would see that other than hitting 3 pointers, the guy couldn't do much. Rebound? nope. Assist? Pedestrian 3 per game. How about playoff success? NBA finlas once...once. And don't give me or anyone that...well he won Olympic gold crap. He didn't win it...Jordan, Magic, Bird won it and the rest were tag-alongs for the ride. Has anyone heard of the saying, "the great one's make everyone around them better" ? Well, who did Miller make better? Rik Smitts? LOL. If his numbers are what you need to get in, then there will be a pleuthora of assletes who think they deserve so. Vince Carter will have better numbers by the end of his career, more PPG, APG, RPG. and just as many trips to the playoffs when it's all said and done....Oh and he has Olympic Gold. So what make Reggie so Great? The fact that he beat the Knicks or didn't win anything. So he didn't get in the first time...BOO freakin' HOO. Try waiting to get in the Hall like real greats in the NFL. Let's see how his patience is to the Likes of Chris Carter/Andre Reed. Now that is a waiting list. Make him sweat it out for a couple of years.



Since: Nov 28, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 12:59 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

What does"top three of all time mean. I looked it up he's about 20th all time. Wilt, Russell Jabbar sound like the top three. He's a joke



Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 12:58 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Reggie was not a small shooting forward he was a shooting guard.  He also could not played sub par defense.  What Reggie did great though was shoot, score, move well without the ball and hit clutch shots.  Despite not winning a championship I would give Reggie credit as he played to win for the Pacers not for himself.  He played to make his  teammates better which he did.  Reggie for his shortcomings had incredibly strong strengths.  It's not a surprise he was left off the list of finalists in his first attempt it happens.  What will surprise me if anyone other than Dennis Rodman or Arvydas Sabonis are inducted into the Hall as these are the only two individuals more worthy.  Rodman was a physical freak.  One of the greatest all time rebounders and defenders.  In basketball too many players concentrate on shooting and scoring and they are not sure what to do when they do not have the ball.  Dennis was one of the greatest players to ever put on a basketball uniform when it came to playing without the ball which showed is incredibly high basketball IQ.  Sabonis was one of the greatest international players ever.  He was one of the best getting up and down the court maybe better than Olajuwon before his knee injuries.  His biggest knock was the international competition not nearly as strong 20-30 years ago than it is today.  As an NBA player Sabonis played on reconstructed knees but was one of the best passing centers along with Bill Walton to ever play in the NBA and he was productive despite being a cripple on the court.  Reggie will get in the Hall eventually and it's not a knock on him to no make it in his first try as it does not take anything from his career or the fact he will eventually have his bust in the NBA Hall.



Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2011 12:50 pm
 

"H.o.F. Question: Miller v. Rodman"...seriously??

 Rodman is a top-three rebounder of all time, if not the best, but is also more known for his... ahem, eccentricities and was able to mosey on over to ride Jordan's coattails to titles. Hard to pinpoint that Miller wasn't his superior in overall play. 

I didn't even realize Rodman was in the Hall of Fame consideration question (Rodman's H.o.F. credentials do not merrit his name even being in the discussion when compared to his peers that are being considered this year...sorry).  And the fact that we are even in the mist of such a discussion ("are Miller's credentials better than Rodman's") should draw into question the competence of the voters.  The irony here is that I still think Miller gets into the H.o.F. before Rodman after the media eats this up...they will repent (just as all "hall of fame"-type organizations, e.g. MLB H.o.F., Grammy's, Oscar's, etc., do after they spite the worthy candidate). 



Since: Jan 13, 2011
Posted on: February 18, 2011 12:41 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

The knock on Miller always comes back to the idiotic championship question. As if a player's singular talents can impact the dozens of things necessary for a player to win a championship including but not nearly limited to luck.

You've got that right Matt! I've never been much of a Reggie Miller or Indiana Pacers fan but to leave him off the ballot given his clutch play and 3 point skill is flat out wrong. This is more of an embarrassment to the selection process than it is to Reggie.




Since: Oct 21, 2006
Posted on: February 18, 2011 12:41 pm
 

Report: Reggie Miller denied for HOF finalist

Miller didnt play defense or rebound?

Miller was a good defender, not as good towards the end of his career but who is?

Didnt rebound?  HES A SHOOTING FORWARD NOT A CENTER.  His position isnt one thats meant for rebounding.  Most shooting forwards arent big rebounders because thats not the type of player they guard against.  

That claim is like saying a guard didnt do much rebounding so he doesnt deserve to be in the hall.

Miller was a great 3 point shooter, a bigtime leader, a clutch scorer, a great free throw shooter, and money against the Knicks.


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