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Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

Posted on: February 20, 2011 1:27 am
Edited on: February 20, 2011 1:48 am
 
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reports that Deron Williams began informing associates after last season that he would follow Amar'e Stoudemire to New York. 
Posted by Matt Moore

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com dropped a bombshell Saturday night amid talk of a Dolan-Isiah-Walsh conflict over Melo, the Nets' meeting with Anthony, and this whole ugly mess. From Berger: 

A person with knowledge of the conversations told CBSSports.com on Saturday that Jazz point guard Deron Williams began informing close associates after last season that if Stoudemire wound up in New York, Williams would follow him there as a free agent in 2012. If the Knicks got Anthony with the three-year extension under current rules, it is not clear whether they'd have enough cap space to add a player such as Williams, Chris Paul or Dwight Howard when the trio become unrestricted free agents after next season.
via Nets reportedly back in on Melo after Dolan jumps in - NBA - CBSSports.com Basketball .

So here's how this play will probably get executed. 

Williams will, of course, strongly deny the report tomorrow whenever a reporter manages to ask him. Half the people will freak out over the media and half will freak out because of the implications of this on the current season. That's how these things are structured, to leak word while providing cover. Just enough for there to be analysis of the player's fit with the prospective team, and just enough to allow for hand-wringing over the veracity of the claim. 

Williams just came through the resignation of Jerry Sloan, with reports indicating Williams was involved in a locker room confrontation the night before Sloan announced he was leaving the Jazz after over two decades. Williams vehemently denied any such conflict with Sloan, but the repercussions caused by the Hall of Fame coach's departure are still being felt. 

At the time, we talked about how Deron leaving after that debacle would be "worse than LeBron ." News that Williams has been considering a departure for such a major market before this season will leave its mark on the Jazz even as the team flounders, trying to hold on to a playoff spot. Welcome to the big time, Deron Williams. You might want to get some advice from Melo on how crazy it's going to get. 
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Since: Feb 13, 2010
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:26 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

How would Deng play the 2?  He can barely stick the athletic 3's, he ould get eaten alive by average twos defensively.  He can't handle the ball either for that matter.  Your whole Bulls plan is insane.  If anything they need to find a real two or replace Deng with someone who is worth that money.



Since: Jan 4, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2011 4:28 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

Being a Bulls fan i would love to see Dwight Howard here when he becomes a free agent.  Could you imagine if Boozer could play the 3 and move Deng to the 2 which i think he can already play.
Starting lineup:
PG- RoseSG- DengSF- BoozerPF- NoahC- Howard

A man is allowed to dream



Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:03 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

I really have nothing to say about this topic, I just need to point out that someone wrote "everyone in their mother" in his comment.  Hilarious.



Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 2:12 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

@WindyCityDante...that is exactly why th enew CBA contract will have a Franchise Tag....so that players don't get drafted and developed in smaller markets and theen leave for bigger markets...right now the way the system is set up....the smaller market puts in the money in to development only to lose....I doubt this will ever go on again...teams will have the right to franchise very soon in order to protect the money they put in to a player.
List of teams in the top 10 in payroll. Please tell me the big market cities here.

1. Lakers

2. Magic

3. Mavericks

4. Celtics

5. Nuggest

6. Jazz

7. Rockets

8. Hawks

9. Bucks

10. Sixers


As i see, only 3 really large market teams there in Bos, LA, and Dall. So in the end, smaller market teams spend and spend quite well enough to be able to afford to keep their players.


And a franchise tag, if you knew how it work, would only keep a player for a  year  or two at most, before they hit free agency. It doesn't mean  that player has to sign a long term deal. 


A franchise tag will delay the inevitable anyways, which is for a player to have the right to free agency within a year or 2. 




Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 2:06 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

Last Year it was Lebron that wanted to come...Never came. Bosh was suppose to come, Never came.This year, it is Melo...yet to be seen 50/50.Next year, first it will be D.Williams talk after that they'll say it's Chris Paul, After that, they'll say it's Howard.
First off, no one ever talked about Bosh. The whole talk was on Lebron and he shocked everyone with his choice to go there. 

And it is clear that Melo wants to be a knick. If he didn't he  would have been traded already. 


And everyone in their mother knows about Paul/D will and the knicks desire to go after them. That's why they gave Felton a 2  year deal.



f Melo is on this team they will have two players taking up 40 million in cap sapce....and the league wants 45-49 million cap for next year...which means not only wont the Knicks be able to sign the big stars they wont be a ble to sign any mid level players ...they will have to fill the roster with 1mil-2mil contracts.
Now is it worth it for the Knicks to give up what they are offering for MElo and be left with an empty roster...they are offering, Galo, Felton, Chandler, Fields and a 1st round pick (the same 1st round pick they would get if they sent Curry's expiring contract and Randolph to the T'wolves.)...Denver is going to clea out the Knicks for everything they have.
This is the biggest non-sense you may havce ever written. 


First off, you don't know where the cap is going to be. And secondly, to throw some arbitrary number out there like that is beyond stupid since a CAP N umber has never been mentioned. Next is that fi you think the knicks are in trouble if they have 2 players with that cap, so is almost every team in the league.

If that cap is true, where will 22 or more teams taht have $60 million or more in payroll be at?  Where will the lakers be next year with 92 million already committed? Do they havce to cut players to get under the cap?


So in the end, you don't knwo how this is going to play out with having to fill in players on the rosters. Who knows if the current deals will be forced to rollback to future levels and all players are going to be losoing millions of dollars.  Or will teams have a few  years to get under the cap. no one knows this right now.


Next is they are not offering Fields in the deal. It is Fields/Mozgov OR Gallo along with the other guys. And to mention Felton is ridiculous because it is an even swap with Billups for the rest of this year and next year. 

If you are going to write an opinion, make it not about HATRED(which i have seen from you a lot on these boards towards the knicks), but more about reality.





Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 1:24 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

@WindyCityDante...that is exactly why th enew CBA contract will have a Franchise Tag....so that players don't get drafted and developed in smaller markets and theen leave for bigger markets...right now the way the system is set up....the smaller market puts in the money in to development only to lose....I doubt this will ever go on again...teams will have the right to franchise very soon in order to protect the money they put in to a player. 



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 1:21 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

Last Year it was Lebron that wanted to come...Never came. Bosh was suppose to come, Never came.This year, it is Melo...yet to be seen 50/50.Next year, first it will be D.Williams talk after that they'll say it's Chris Paul, After that, they'll say it's Howard.
Meanwhile no one actually comes and the knick fans are left empty handed.
The irony in everything is Amare was not Suppose to come to NY, he wanted to stay out West but after the offers dissapeared due to his health history...he came to the Knicks.  

If Melo is on this team they will have two players taking up 40 million in cap sapce....and the league wants 45-49 million cap for next year...which means not only wont the Knicks be able to sign the big stars they wont be a ble to sign any mid level players ...they will have to fill the roster with 1mil-2mil contracts.
Now is it worth it for the Knicks to give up what they are offering for MElo and be left with an empty roster...they are offering, Galo, Felton, Chandler, Fields and a 1st round pick (the same 1st round pick they would get if they sent Curry's expiring contract and Randolph to the T'wolves.)...Denver is going to clea out the Knicks for everything they have. 



Since: May 9, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 12:14 pm
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

I'll stick with my theory of Deron going to Dallas,  Chris Paul to the Knicks, Dwight Howard maybe to the Lakers? and Carmelo to the Knicks.  Pretty soon nobody will want to play in the smaller markets of Utah, Sacramento, New Orleans, Orlando....They should really move the Hornets to Seattle and bring back the SuperSonics!  They're dying for pro basketball up there but not sure if Key Arena is up to code anymore.



Since: May 3, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2011 10:37 am
 

Deron Williams and the Knickerbocker issue

I guess he's gonna enjoy backing up Chris Paul =)


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