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League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

Posted on: April 18, 2011 4:22 pm
Edited on: April 18, 2011 4:28 pm
Posted by Royce Young

The league issued a statement telling us something we all already knew: Kendrick Perkins' basket with 1:05 remaining should not have counted. The statement reads:

"Kendrick Perkins was improperly credited with a basket that should have been ruled offensive basket interference with 1:05 remaining in last night’s game.  Although a player is permitted to touch the net while the ball is in the cylinder above the rim, Perkins also touched the ball while it was still in the cylinder which is a violation and constitutes goaltending.”

I love when these type of things happen. Yes, it's better that the league acknowledges the gaffe, but it doesn't mean Denver gets its two points back. The tip came at an extremely critical time in the game with the Nuggets leading by one. The basket put the Thunder on top, eventually helping OKC to go on to win a hard fought Game 1 107-103.

George Karl said of the tip, "It very obviously should not have counted."

Matt Moore gave a terrific explanation of the rule and a breakdown of the play last night after it happened. He wrote, "Half the ball is in the cylinder. So it's in the cylinder. But the NBA rulebook does not  define "in the cylinder." It's a judgment call, likely left open to protect the officials, like a lot of rule interpretations. But without that, you can make the argument it was in, and out, of the cylinder."

It's very easy to point out how it was a blown call, but basket inference calls have always been one of the very most difficult ones to judge for officials. Not only does it happen in a couple tenths of a second, but the refs almost never have a good angle on it. Perkins' tip though did look a bit more awkward than most because his hand got tangled in the net as he went for it.

From my perspective in the arena, I actually thought Russell Westbrook's shot had dropped through. Most of the other writers around me thought the same thing. So you can imagine the position the officials were in during that situation. They got it wrong. They know and the league knows it. We all figured out what happened on the tip after watching the replay three or four times. The officials didn't have that luxury. Maybe that's the real question though: Why didn't the officials have that luxury?

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2011 1:22 am

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

3 - 0 CHOCO!,,,, Cmon Nugs I got courtside tickets if we van get this series back to OKC,,, Do not let me down Denver,,, Show some heart and win a game so I can get an extra game.  I have seen the future of the NBA and it wears a Thunder, Grizzlies, and Bulls uniform!  GO THUNDER!!!

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: April 21, 2011 9:09 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

I never disputed it was a bad call,,,,it obviously was.  That doesnt change the fact that Denver, Afflalo or not should have never let the first game get away from them after being up like that.  And if you think that the Nugs are not a bunch of thugs you celebrated 4/20 a little too hard, Nene can give it as well as get it, Martin has been a thug since high school, Birdman,, who is loved in OKC had to be removed from a resturaunt the night before the game for screaming at autograph seekers and dont get me started on Smith.  All Denver has done is make excuses this year ( Melo, Billups, Afflalo, Mozgov, bad calls, OKC is too cocky,,,etc)  You will get no sympathy from anyone.  I used to be a Karl fan somewhat but he has just become a predictable, outdated, whining baby in his old age.  Show some guts and dont get swept in your own house Nugs.

Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: April 21, 2011 3:40 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

@routefndrlee - You're a total troll.  Does the fact the Thunder had a dominant performance last night make the game #1 blown call less relevant?  The Nuggets were the Thugs?  Which team has Kendrick Perkins laying cheap shots?  Did you watch him try to rip Nene's head off in the last regular season matchup or lay a dirty hit on Chandler last night?  How about Durant tweeting that Nuggets Blogger Jeffrey Morton is an idiot and then deleting the tweet.  The Thunder have plenty to say playing against a Nuggets team fighting in a playoff series with a team that's been together for about three months now and that's without it's starting shooting guard in Aaron Afflalo.  Kevin Durant talks tough on twitter but then plays as soft as tissue paper on the court.  Durant has a growing reputation for getting superstar treatment from officials with frequent trips to the line off of limited contact, just ask Phil Jackson and Kevin Garnett.  It's hard to understand Kevin calling other players "fake tough guys."

OKC has a nice team and they've really shown up strong in the last six quarters of the series.  It may be hard for a hometown fan in Oklahoma City to understand how egregious a call that goes there way is, but the league almost never acknowledges blown calls so when it happens it really is a big deal.  I'm sure there are lots of friendly and intelligent Thunder fans out there.  Unforutnately you're not one of them.

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: April 21, 2011 12:08 am

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

Now that its 2 - 0 OKC after the blow out do any of the Nugs have any bad call rants about game 2????   I knew the Nugs had left all their good shooting in the first quarter of game one, good luck.  OKC needs to start the "Hack a Nene" strategy, because he is terrible at the line.  If we steal one or both in Denver that would be a comedy!!!  After all we have a 4 game winning streak against them and 5 of the last 6, including games in their house.  How soon they forget,,, Birdman who played in OKC as a Hornet and was loved by everyone, got kicked out of a restaurant last night in OKC for yelling at some fans that wanted his autograph, I guess hanging out with Martin, Smith and Nene has made him a thug too.  Have fun in the off season, hope Nene decides to stay instead of taking the money somewhere else.

Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: April 20, 2011 11:48 am

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

Dude...pause the video at 6 seconds and tell me then that the ball is in the hoop.
Understand the rule (see below).  Goaltending doesn't just prohibit touching a ball that's "in the hoop".  The hoop, or basket ring, is considered the bottom of an imaginary cylinder, and while the ball is inside the imaginary cylinder it cannot be touched by a player from either team.

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.
PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

Since: Jan 28, 2008
Posted on: April 20, 2011 1:20 am

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

Dude...pause the video at 6 seconds and tell me then that the ball is in the hoop.  Perks wrist is above the rim with the ball on his palm.  I still do not see the goal tending.  Not saying I,m not wrong, just saying the video is not clearly saying goal tend.  The ball hit the back of the rim/hinge, hit the back board and appears to be coming over the front side of the rim when Perkins touches it.  Don't care what the league says the video does not ever show the ball in prior to Perkins touch.  Touching the net does not constitute goal tending.

Two plays prior to the "goal tend" Westbrook was mugged on an offensive rebound by Felton and Martin...guess what, no call.  That call would have sent an 85% FT shooter to the line for 2 points.  No matter how hard anyone trys, you can not take the human element out of the game.  In the end though, people like you will make a big deal over nothing.  Bottom line they blew a 13 point lead in the first half and twice blew 9 point leads in the second half.

Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: April 19, 2011 5:07 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

This is ludicrous. The ball CLEARLY was about to come off the front of the rim. If "in the cylinder" is a judgment call, the refs' collective judgment was correct.

Are you even serious?  Do you think the NBA issues a statement saying their officials screwed up unless it's a blatant blown call?  The ball was CLEARLY in the cylinder.  The NBA has confirmed that and everyone except for the three officials on the court and blind or ignorant bozos like you don't recognize the goaltend.  I've heard you can't "fix stupid" and apparently that's the truth...

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2011 3:21 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

This is ludicrous. The ball CLEARLY was about to come off the front of the rim. If "in the cylinder" is a judgment call, the refs' collective judgment was correct.

Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2011 2:54 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

NBA is like a communist country is right.  Its such a joke god forbid anyone speak their mind.  Id rather yoube able to sat what youwant after a game if its put intelligently rather than all the crying i see by "Superstars"  begging for calls.  Kobe looked pathetic when he got stripped and fell out of bounds begging for the call. I was going for Lakers for many reasons and you know what you looked like a sucker Kobe stop begging for calls. ALL of you.  And refs lets let these"men" play.  Im no NBA player but when i play in my league you have to get whacked prety hard to get to the foul line.  To many touch fouls.    Leta guy like Tony Allen play D on Parker.  I can go on and on its a joke.  BTW nice offensive fould call on Melo to bail out the Celtics.  Anyone saying anything about a close game do more. Have you watched games?  everyone knows most games come down to the last three minutes

Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2011 2:46 pm

League: Perkins' tip shouldn't have counted

Dude i couldnt have said it better myself.  It makes not even want to watch the games.  Im not even sure who are the real legends.  The NBA makes thier legends.  Dwayne Wade karate kicked T Young and fell to the floor and made an amazing shot, but they gave him the and one. (gm1 btw).  Then on a breakaway dunk for T young Joel Anthony ran from behind and hit im and he got nothing.  Its so lopsided at times.  No way should players be getting 20-25 fts in a game.

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