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Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

Posted on: May 17, 2011 12:52 pm
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Charles Barkley says that every NBA player has played with gay teammates. Posted by Ben Golliver. charles-barkley

On Sunday, we noted that Phoenix Suns president Rick Welts revealed to the New York Times that he is a homosexual, becoming the first prominent male professional sports team executive to do so. 

In the article, Welts stated: "This is one of the last industries where the subject is off limits. Nobody’s comfortable in engaging in a conversation.”

One person who is comfortable engaging in every conversation is TNT broadcaster and NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley. The Washington Post reports that Barkley says that he played alongside gay players and that he believes the NBA is more ready for a current player to follow Welts' lead and come out than most people think.
“First of all, every player has played with gay guys. It bothers me when I hear these reporters and jocks get on TV and say, ‘Oh, no guy can come out in a team sport. These guys would go crazy.’ First of all, quit telling me what I think. I’d rather have a gay guy who can play than a straight guy who can’t play.”

“Any professional athlete who gets on TV or radio and says he never played with a gay guy is a stone-freakin’ idiot,” Barkley said. “I would even say the same thing in college. Every college player, every pro player in any sport has probably played with a gay person."

Also weary of the perception that a majority of straight male athletes are intensely homophobic, Barkley said gay players pose no problem, adding, “Man, we need to outlaw guys who suck at sports.”
Although delivered unconventionally as always, Barkley's point stands. Talent is always going to be the most important determining factor in a highly competitive field like professional sports. That homosexual players have, to this point, chosen the lesser of two evils by remaining anonymous makes sense. That's how it's always been.

But does it feel like we're turning a corner here? Barkley's honesty is important and the support shown to Welts by other media members, including Bill Simmons, helps frame his decision to come forward as an important milestone on a longer path towards acknowledged, public equality.

Does public support for Welts and honest conversation about the life he was living make it easier for a current player to step forward? One would think so.
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Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: May 18, 2011 6:11 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

#1illifan... sorry if I didn't get the scrn name exact.. you know that I'm talking to you.. you wrote that...
Gays shouldnt be given less priveleges or more priveleges. just treat them the same as straights.

But they aren't treating themselves as "the same"... how?  Why do they feel the need to "come out"... just go out & have fun w/ your b/f... why does everyone in the sports world need to know about it?  Just go & do it.. again, they are trying to make this a plight like what Jackie Robinson went through.. and its not the same.  He didn't choose to be black, these guy choose to be gay & then make some formal announcement that really I give 2 shits about... and most do.  But because they decided to get the media involved & make this a circus we are all here talking about it.  When's the last time a straight man came out & called a press conference just to say he bangs girls?  Exactly.
 



Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: May 18, 2011 5:55 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

  You're right.. I did do that... on purpose.. I was having fun.. I guess my sarcasm didn't come thru.  But what if teammates were gay w/ each other?  What would you do if you did see teammates kissing?  Do you have kids?  What would you say to them?  What would you say to a kid who has open gays in his highschool locker room?  Some claim that being gay isn't a choice, so I suppose being gay & showing "affection" could happen earlier that H. school.. maybe middle school?  Some of what I say is a stretch... I will admit that.. but some on, didn't some of what I say, maybe in the context of crackin' jokes make anyone laugh?  Come on???  Come on????  I guess the long standing policy of not dating cheerleaders & no twitter during games may have to be revised.  I could see it happening at somepoint.. some arbitrary time in the future.  



Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: May 18, 2011 5:48 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

-  I agree w/ LT not being that good... both of them.

Now onto your point.  If you really want to point to "studies" then let me help you, if you dig around you can find some fraud scientist whose "studies" are based on some biased thought process.  Seriously, don't try to play Fraud... errr Freud on here.  I can find "studies" to  refudiate that claim & any other one ever invented.  That's the point of science... I should know, I am a chemist... they get an idea & they try to prove it.. some, like the ones you're quoting, work feverishly and even doctor their work just to prove their point.  They are shame scientists... 

I personally have no issue w/ gays.. people wanna be gay, that's on them.  I don't think sex orientation has a part in sports.. straight, gay, what Hoover was into... lol... or that pitcher from Bull Durham.   This is sports, and this is a sports board... and this sports board is already hell w/ Freeman writing his racist & biased crap every other day.  Let's keep non-sports stuff out of sports & off the boards.  If these guys wanna come out the closet.. who cares... that's their choice, just like it is to be gay to begin with.  Personally I think them coming out makes it more like a plea for attention.  Who was talking about either of them before hand???   No one.  I'm sure their lives were difficult, but does coming "out" make it easier for them?  I doubt it.  So what was the point?  Attention.. for them.. and probably their boyfriends.  



Since: Sep 23, 2006
Posted on: May 18, 2011 4:39 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

I remember sitting in a church I once belonged to when the pastor, who had often preached that sin is sin and we are all sinners, went on a diatribe against homosexuals.  As he talked to a church full of people who had engaged in premarital and extramarital sex, all sorts of coveting, cheating, and just about every other sinful thing that people do, I wondered if he had ever bothered to read the second half of his Bible where all the forgiveness of sin stuff is.

Personally, I can't walk a mile in their shoes because I've always liked women and don't remember ever having a choice in the matter.  I am how God made me and I'm not about to judge God for how He made somebody else. 

Especially when I root for a team that used to feature a guy who wore a wedding dress. Especially in an era when athletes have been known to father kids indiscriminately, beat the snot out of their partners, drive (and even kill others) while drunk to the gills, etc, etc, etc.

If the guy can pop the three, grab a bunch of rebounds, or play tenacious D without being a general meance to society, I can root for him or boo him, just like anybody else.




Since: Nov 14, 2009
Posted on: May 18, 2011 3:17 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

Why don't you stop citing writers' quotes and face the fact that some people, including athletes, are born gay.  I appreciate what Barkley said, and I'm not even a fan.  I don't give a rip what a player's sexual preference is.  I'm not some sick whacko who asks heterosexual couples about their sex lives, so why would I care what homosexuals do behind closed doors?  Focus on the sports topics!



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 18, 2011 12:49 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

Homosexuality is defined by sex.  Heterosexuality is defined by God.  Homosexuality cannot be defined by children.  It cannot be defined by marriage.  It is defined by a perverted sexual act.  May the love and mercy of God shine like a rainbow on our troubled brothers and sisters struggling with sexual addiction and perversion.  In addition, "gay" is a word employed by the homosexual movement to make light of this terrible disease.  Yes, it is a disease of the mind and soul.  Curable though.  Fire me.  Throw me in prison.  The truth will not be quieted.  

Dude. I believe in God but you are getting a little crazy, don't you think?  Try bible.com or whatever other site you can find that backs your arguments and beliefs.... it's ridiculous to do this on CBS....

What you are trying to do is control how people feel... nobody can do that.  Personally I think woman are beautiful but some men don't feel the same way... the key word is FEEL.....

A disease of the mind and soul?  Really?  Perversion? Curable?

WOW. 



Since: Jul 22, 2008
Posted on: May 18, 2011 12:37 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

phishmet: "Homosexuality is defined by sex.  Heterosexuality is defined by God.  Homosexuality cannot be defined by children.  It cannot be defined by marriage.  It is defined by a perverted sexual act.  May the love and mercy of God shine like a rainbow on our troubled brothers and sisters struggling with sexual addiction and perversion.  In addition, "gay" is a word employed by the homosexual movement to make light of this terrible disease.  Yes, it is a disease of the mind and soul.  Curable though.  Fire me.  Throw me in prison.  The truth will not be quieted."

 
For someone who is so anti-gay, you sure are a drama queen. "Fire me. Throw me in prison." You go, girl!  Laughing 



Since: Jul 22, 2008
Posted on: May 18, 2011 12:32 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

So you are suggesting tolerance toward intolerant folks? Or just politeness, perhaps? How would that stance have worked in the Civil Rights movement?



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: May 18, 2011 12:27 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

The extreme intolerance for alternative perspectives - namely, the alternative perspective of anti-homosexuality - from those here who bill themselves as models of tolerance and openness is very interesting indeed.



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: May 18, 2011 12:20 am
 

Barkley: 'Every player has played with gay guys'

Some are apparently under the impression that only Christians say homosexuality is unnatural. Think again. Look to some of the most conveniently ignored passages in Plato. In the
first, the speaker is the Athenian Stranger at Laws 636c:

"[T]he pleasure [ta Aphrodisia] is given according to nature, it
seems, when the female unites with the nature of males for
procreation. Males coming together with males, and females with
females, seems against nature; and the daring of those who first did
it seems to have arisen from a lack of self-restraint with regard to
pleasure."

Also see Republic 403a-c, Socrates questioning, Glaucon answering:

"Can you tell of a greater or keener pleasure than the one connected
with sex?"

"I can't," he said, "nor a madder one either."

"Is the naturally right kind of love to love in a moderate and musical
way what's orderly and noble?"

"Quite so," he said.

"Nothing that's mad or akin to licentiousness must approach the right
kind of love?"

"No, it musn't."

"Then this pleasure musn't approach love, and lover and boy who love
and are loved in the right way musn't be partner to it?"

"By Zeus, no, Socrates," he said, "this pleasure certainly musn't
approach love."

"So then, as it seems, you'll set down a law in the city that's being
founded: that a lover may kiss, be with, and touch his boy as though
he were a son, for noble purposes, if he persuades him; but, as for
the rest, his intercourse with the one for whom he cares will be such
that their relationship will never be reputed to go further than this.
If not, he'll be subject to blame as unmusical and inexperienced in
noble things."




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