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Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Posted on: May 23, 2011 5:35 pm
Edited on: May 24, 2011 5:33 am
 
Joakim Noah has been fined $50K for using a gay slur during Game 3 of the Eastern Conference finals. The comment was directed toward a fan while Noah was on the bench. Kobe Bryant was fined more in early April because Bryant's comment was directed at a league official, a spokesman tells CBSSports.com

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All the talk today, aside from wondering where in the red blazes Derrick Rose's offense has gone and if anyone that's GM of the Blazers can last more than a season, has been about Joakim Noah's homosexual slur used toward a fan Sunday night. The comment came in retaliation for repeated verbal abuse, and Noah's remark was caught on video. And, just as the reaction was swift and strong from both the public and the league in the case of Kobe Bryant's incident, so too the outcry was quick towards Noah's Heat-of-the-moment utterance. Now the league has followed suit.


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The NBA today fined Noah $50,000 for the use of the homosexual slur. Kobe Bryant was fined $100,000 for his remark toward an official in early April. A league spokesman confirmed to CBSSports.com that the differential in the fines was: "Kobe's fine included discipline for verbal abuse of a game official." 

Noah apologized Monday morning for the remark saying he would "accept the consequences." Noah met with officials Monday to discuss the incident. Certainly the fact that Noah's comment occurred on national television during the second-most-watched NBA game in cable history had something to do with the attention it garnered, but it's good to see the league responding quickly and fairly to both incidents. Some will question why Noah's fine was less, and if abusing a fan is any less harmful than abusing an official, but in reality, the extra money fined Bryant was for a separate issue. It was in part for using the term, and in part for the abuse of an official. 

With Noah having apologized, and no doubt seeking the same reparations with public relations as Bryant did in a series of PSA ads against homophobic slurs, the incident should move behind the Bulls. Now they just have to worry about being in a 2-1 hole going into Tuesday's game in Miami.
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Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: May 27, 2011 11:04 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

"I disagree 100 percent.  Not because I think it's ok for fans to say anything they want and not because I would ever do what some fans do... I disagree because it's impossible to monitor that many fans.... it doesn't matter how much security you put in there... there are sometimes 20 thousand people in the building.. of those 20 thousand you will always have a few dozen people that get out of hand a little bit or say the wrong thing.  It gets very loud at these games... how much security do you need to hear everything people say? Are we going to start banning people based on what a player says happened? or maybe a fan that doesn't like somebody lies to security and gets a guy kicked out?? It's literally impossible to monitor....

These players, especially in the NBA make millions of dollars.  I know you'll say how much they are paid isn't the issue but to me it is...  like it or not the fans at that game are paying their salaries... doesn't give them the right to abuse the players but hey, i learned a long time ago as a kid not to let words get to you...if a player living in a mansion that can retire without a worry in this world at 30 or 35 years old can't take a few bad words from a fan the odd road game then this isn't the business for him...."



I think you missed my point. It would be pointless to attempt to monitior 20 thousand fans. Is it really OK for a couple of dozen yahoos to act out because they are part of a larger group and feel empowered? The fans are too close to the players benches at most NBA arenas. There should be more space between the players and fans. Whether a person makes 1 dollar or 11 million dollars, its all about human decency. Tell me, are you saying that there is nothing that could be said to you that would make you lose your cool? You, my friend, are human, and there is something to be said out there which would cause you to lose it. If you deny that, I think you are being less than honest. The amount of money a player makes, and his ability to retire at a young age, is not the issue. Again, Noah desevered to be fined for what he said, but look at the cause (fan behavior), not just the reaction.


"The league is doing the right thing.. fine the player and if it continues suspend him the next time where it really hits his pocket book... it's a lot easier for the league to control a couple dozen NBA players then it is to control what 20 thousand people have to say at a game... "


Is the easy way out always the best manner to conduct buisness?



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 26, 2011 9:56 am
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Any response to this thread is pretty much beating a dead horse, but I can't understand redwings why you would make such a harsh judgement for Noah as a person.  If I was gay, I would be offended by how thin skinned you think someone who's gay would be.  Mike Vick last year had the top selling footbally jersey, pretty sure a couple fans have dogs.

I don't think you read all of my posts let alone what others said to me.   This had very little to do with Noah and everything to do with people on these boards that justify everything using the constitution as a way to do it.  If all somebody would have said was "he got angry and made a mistake" it woulda been one thing.  But to tell me the constitution allows it and use that as an excuse is ridiculous.  This isn't about whether or not the constitution protects him or not because it obviously does.. this is about idiots on these boards that believe being rude to anybody and everybody is ok because the constitution supposedly says you can be....

If you were gay you said you would be offended by how think skinned I think you are?  In my lifetime I've been friends with exactly 5 gay people... none of which knew each other and came from completely different lives.  I can assure you NONE have the thick skin you do... now, does that speak for ALL gay people?  No it doesn't... but if you think it doesn't hurt them then you are just like some of the others on these boards.... you people don't think outside the box at all.  You think gay teens that love basketball are a rarity... you think they barely exist... I GUARANTEE YOU a lot of gay young people saw and heard what Noah said... and very few will be as forgiving as you.... and most importantly almost all would have been very disappointed hearing those words come from his mouth... especially younger Bulls fans...

As for Vick having the top selling jersey... no disrespect meant towards you when I say this but who cares????  Just one year after Kobe Bryant settled out of court on a rape charge he led all athletes in merchandise sales....  for the record I didn't buy one....  I don't care what everybody else does. 



Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: May 26, 2011 1:59 am
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Any response to this thread is pretty much beating a dead horse, but I can't understand redwings why you would make such a harsh judgement for Noah as a person.  If I was gay, I would be offended by how thin skinned you think someone who's gay would be.  Mike Vick last year had the top selling footbally jersey, pretty sure a couple fans have dogs.


I'm not going to judge you without knowing you, but would you feel as strongly had he have said any kind of other slur, beit racial or any other type.  Noah had his moment, and unfortunately for him a camera happened to catch it.  The hype surrounding both Noah and Bryant in my opinion are just free pr moves by the gay community.


The Constitution in itself is a guarantee of personal freedoms the gov't cannot enfridge upon.  I'm pretty sure what Noah did is covered.  The sensitivity is getting pretty "intolerable".  I had friends at college who had to go to a sex/diversity play for joking around with each other.  In my opinion any non-criminal communication is fine.     
  



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 25, 2011 10:08 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Redwings,,,,Not trying to stick my nose in your discussion but freedom of speech IS something thats protected by the U.S. Constitution.  You cannot be locked up for saying unpopular or even hurtful things.  That is a fact. If you are saying that people are morons because they think it protects them from any and all consequences then I get your drift.

Thank you ! And yes, that's all I was saying.  I understand people can't be put in jail for saying stupid things and i'm ok with that.  What i'm not ok with is people that think it's ok to say the things Noah said and refer to the constitution when they justify it... that's all.... 



Since: Sep 4, 2007
Posted on: May 25, 2011 12:07 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Redwings,,,,Not trying to stick my nose in your discussion but freedom of speech IS something thats protected by the U.S. Constitution.  You cannot be locked up for saying unpopular or even hurtful things.  That is a fact. If you are saying that people are morons because they think it protects them from any and all consequences then I get your drift.  You absolutely can be held accountable for words you say anywhere in America.  May not get you locked up but you can loose a job, a wife, friendship etc.

I think the point most people miss is that yes you have the right to say hurtful or derogatory things about others but why would you?  What kind of person does that make you if you have to bash others just to make yourself feel good or fit in with boys.


In Noahs case I am pretty certain he was not thinking that what he said to the fan would strike a blow for the anti gay community.  Still he is a professsional and should have ignored the fan or thanked him for contributing to his monetary wealth! 



Since: Nov 8, 2010
Posted on: May 25, 2011 11:41 am
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Also, the players weren't fined by the US government, so the first Amendment wasn't breached. It's similar to a regular employee for just a regular business getting suspended without pay or fired for sexual harrassment or using a racial or sexual slur.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 10:55 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

You state that "'freedom of speech" isn't in there so people can say anything they want whenever they feel like saying it."  Actually, freedom of speech is exactly that - freedom to say nearly anything you want.  Exceptions include "incitement" to violence, yelling "fire" in a public building and other severely limited situations.  Offensiveness, immorality or any other content-based restictions on speech by the government violate the first amendment - but you would already know that if you had a clue.  

If freedom of speech existed in sports coaches wouldn't be fined for simply stating their opinion or complaining about referees and players wouldn't be fined for complaining publicly about the league they play in.  Say what you will, what there are more exceptions then you listed.

You posted judgments regarding idiot/moron Americans and the rights people have in the U.S.  

Here's the thing. I KNOW you understand what I was getting at but for somebody as educated as you are it's unbelievable how you twist and turn things.  You are trying to make it seem like I slammed EVERY American when in fact you know what I meant.  But just in case, here it is again... I'll keep it simple.  Ready??  ANY AMERICAN ON THESE BOARDS OR ELSEWHERE THAT THINKS IT'S OK FOR A PRO ATHLETE OR ANYBODY ELSE TO CALL ANYBODY GAY ON NATIONAL TELEVISION IS A MORON. FURTHERMORE AND MOST IMPORTANT IS ANYBODY ON THESE BOARDS FROM THE STATES OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT REFERS TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES WHEN SAYING IT SHOULD BE OK TO INSULT THE GAY COMMUNITY IS ALSO A MORON.  

Also, I don't need "balls to go off on people that think calling people gay or fag is funny."  That wasn't the point of my post, and you and others have already blasted such people.  Contrary to your baseless opinion, I am not one of those people and I don't need to beat a dead horse to prove it. 

Sorry man but it's not a "baseless opinion", not at all.  Could I be wrong? Absolutely.  But here's the thing.... although you don't need to be as passionate about it as I am if you aren't one of those people then you would attack them just as quickly as you attacked me for what I said.  Instead you just sit back and tell me you don't have to "beat a dead horse"....  say what you will and do what you want but I don't live my life that way.  I say what I believe and in forums like this I type what's on my mind.  When degenerates are on these boards using "fag" and "gay" every other word and justifying the use of it by pro athletes it bothers me... it hits a nerve because although I'm not gay I've known many people that are and they don't deserve the abuse they take....

And quit pretending to know anything about me. You don't like when I assume something about you but all you do is assume or imply things about me that aren't true.  My brain and thought process works in a different way then most of the people on these boards.  When a professional and popular player like Noah uses a word like that there are consequences I think of that go far beyond what most people on these boards give a crap about.  Do you have any idea how many teenagers are gay in the U.S?   How many young NBA fans are gay? How many Bulls fans are gay? How do you think it makes them feel to know that a punk like Noah thinks that way of them? Tell me until you're purple that he didn't mean it and that he has 100 gay friends blablabla but in my opinion I learned everything I needed to know about Noah.... people on these boards can support him,  I don't.   



Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 5:28 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

redwings1969 - You're even more hillarious than I originally thought!  I said that I have no problem with Canada or Canadians - but you somehow think I have a problem with other countries.  A baseless accusation as usual for you.  I didn't slam Canada or Canadians, contrary to your hurt feelings.  I just pointed our that if you have such problems with Americans and things going on in the U.S., maybe you should stick with Canadian things.

You're right - I don't need a degree and don't need to live in the U.S to understand the U.S Constitution, but maybe you do.  You still haven't provided any basis for your expertise on U.S. freedom of speech.  Mine is a U.S. law degree, so yes I have studied it.

You state that "'freedom of speech" isn't in there so people can say anything they want whenever they feel like saying it."  Actually, freedom of speech is exactly that - freedom to say nearly anything you want.  Exceptions include "incitement" to violence, yelling "fire" in a public building and other severely limited situations.  Offensiveness, immorality or any other content-based restictions on speech by the government violate the first amendment - but you would already know that if you had a clue.  People don't "defend" themselves with the U.S. Constitution unless it's the U.S./state/municipal government that infringes a right guaranteed thereby.  Just because you don't like what somebody has to say doesn't mean it's not protected by the 1st Amendment.  Unpopular speech is exactly what is protected from government interference here in the U.S.  Having the right to say something doesn't mean one should say it.  You're confusing the two issues.

Moreover, addressing your post did not in any way pass judgement on cultures or rights.  You posted judgments regarding idiot/moron Americans and the rights people have in the U.S.  Point out a single instance in my post where I judged anyone's culture or rights?

Also, I don't need "balls to go off on people that think calling people gay or fag is funny."  That wasn't the point of my post, and you and others have already blasted such people.  Contrary to your baseless opinion, I am not one of those people and I don't need to beat a dead horse to prove it.  I probably have more homosexual/lesbian friends than you would ever imagine.  Keep your guessing games about me to yourself instead of posting uninformed insults.

You appear to be as thin-skinned as they come.  I mearly pointed out that only soprts IQ is relevant on a sports website, and you took it as some challenge to your manhood.  Save your "spanking" for your kids.  I'll believe in your sports IQ when you post something insightful about sports.

Until then, I'm done with your inability to take criticism over your own post and your sensitive feelings.  As Tony Kornheiser says (when he's not suspended), "Goodnight Canada."



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: May 24, 2011 4:48 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

With Noah having apologized, and no doubt seeking the same reparations with public relations as Bryant did in a series of PSA ads against homophobic slurs, the incident should move behind the Bulls. Now they just have to worry about being in a 2-1 hole going into Tuesday's game in Miami.


Noah uttered a slur and should have been fined. However, it doesn't make him anti-gay. How many of us have uttered a slur of some kind when angry, but never meant any harm? Noah was guilty of being stupid. Let's not make this into some political matter for some to exploit. Those who do are scoundrels.

He doesn't need to make reparations. He was contrite, paid a fine and should be forgiven for a moment of stupidity. The making of PSA's is pathetic. It's like drug users who have to do that after re-hab. Pathetic and ever so disingenuous.

Why must Noah be beaten up for this? He's not Kobe who has had a bad rap already. He's not Ben Roethlisberger. He's not Charles Barkley. Noah has had a good rep and it shouldn't be sullied by a moment of anger and stupidity. The media is simply pathetic prolonging this. They're the biggest culprits of spreadind hate and ill will in this country.




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 4:09 pm
 

Noah fined $50,000 by NBA for gay slur

Seriously redwings1969, you are a Canadian preaching to "Americans" about the U.S. Constitution?  Like you have a clue based on living in Canada.  Canadian culture and Canadian rights are just that - Canadian.  So what makes you so much of an expert on American culture and American rights?  I am certain that I have studied the U.S. Constitution and the rights that stem from it well beyond your knowledge of the subject.

You don't need a degree and you don't need to live in the U.S to understand the U.S Constitution.  You've "studied" it?  If that's true then you know "freedom of speech" isn't in there so people can say anything they want whenever they feel like saying it.....  I know where it came from and why, do you?

Your anti-American tone is deafening.  Why don't you just stay in Canada and not have anything to do with American things?  Yes, the NBA is American despite the fledgling Toronto Raptors.  Also, leave the NFL alone and stick with the CFL.  Forget about baseball too - MLB is American too, Toronto again being the only city that can support a team.

Right !  And you say my "anti-American tone is defening?  Re-read what you type and you'll see the person that has the problem with other countries is you....  my problem isn't with all Americans, it's with stupid ones.  Stupid people that try to use their consitution to defend people that should never be defended.  My problem is with idiots that believe the U.S constitution allows them the right to publicly slam people based on their sexual preference.  If that doesn't offend you then good for you..... but if you were a real American it would offend you... it would offend you deeply.

You also realize you are self-proclaiming your intelligence on a sports website.  Give the rest of us a break.  Share some brilliant insight about sports rather than your self-rightous judgment of others about culture and rights. 

MY judgement of others about cultures and rights?  Now THAT is funny... you go on a rant talking about my post but not once do you have the balls to go off on people that think calling people gay or fag is funny.... well... then again why would you?  You're probably one of those guys that would call people those names right in front of your kids...... you see nothing wrong with it.

It's sports IQ that matters here, not anything else.  If you don't have any worthwhile thoughts on sports, go post on a non-sports website like a newspaper or better yet a political discussion site.  You're wasting your time on CBSSports.com because the majority of users are interested in sports, not your opinions about what's wrong with Americans or America.

99.9 percent of what I type on CBS is sports related.  Only when a story like this comes around and most people think the player did nothing wrong do I talk about other things...   anytime you want to play a "sports iq" game let me know though... I think you'll be pretty surprised at the spanking you take. 


 


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