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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
 
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both?

ESPN.com reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.
Comments

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: May 31, 2011 12:42 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Why are the CAVS trying to get 2nd pick... There will be a work stoppage once the CBA expires.  How will teams draft NEXT year?  The records of this past year... which would mean that that the CAVS would still be in the lottery and would likely get a top 4 pick the following year.  So... they have one, two this year and a four next year.  Thank You Mo and Laloser!



Since: Nov 29, 2009
Posted on: May 30, 2011 10:08 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Trade Madness. Wolves need to deal Rubio (Spanish hotshot will never play in Winterfell Minn.). Lakers need to deal Bynum (mates don't trust him, dumb move hijacking JJ Barea). Raps need to offload Bargnagni. Warriors need D and Cavs want the #2 pick this year as well as #1 they have. Here is the deal: (1) Rubio to Raps for Raps' # 5 pick. (2) Bargnani and Rubio to Lakers for Bynum,  Shannon Brown and Lakers' 1st pick in 2012. (3) Wolves trade their own #2 pick, # 5 pick from Raps, and Johnny Flynn  to Warriors for Monte Ellis.  Wolves need a pure shooter at 1 or 2. Monte fits the bill. Steph Curry will get more shots this way in Oakland. (4) Warriors trade Wolves' #2 pick and expiring contract of Radmanovic to Cleveland for Varejao (Warriors need defence), Cavs' # 4 pick this year and Cavs' 1st pick in 2012 (will be a better draft that year).   Work the deal with the trade exceptions of Raps and Cavs to make the contracts fit the NBA trade requirements. Have Fun!!




Since: Jun 15, 2008
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:49 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Nice ty Hawkman Cool



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:42 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Well i don't know to much about contracts and stuff....But cant the Pistons just release him?
No, the NFL is the only major sport where a contract doesn't actually mean anything.  In MLB and NBA, the team has to honor the contract they signed.  Well, they COULD release him, but they'd have to pay him the remaining amount on his contract - $25M.

I make good money where i work, but if i don't do my job then i would get fired and i would lose my pay. They wont let me go and still pay me....I know alot of ppl are probably gona say you can't compare someones job with sports....But i say why not Sports is there job
Once you start working for 7 digits, it's all about the contract.  I can't imagine there's a CEO of anything resembling a major company that doesn't work under a similar contract.  They typically have buy-out clauses that allow them to collect millions if they're fired.  The idea is that their talents are so unique and highly sought that the organizations are willing to make those commitments assuming they'll succeed.



Since: Jun 15, 2008
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:33 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Well i don't know to much about contracts and stuff....But cant the Pistons just release him? And if he signs with some1 else then wouldnt they be free and clear? I just don't understand them giving up Rip and the number 8 pick...ppl say this draft isn't deep and thats understandable but from what i hear they can get a pretty good center from Europe? Thats what also gets me pissed is these high paid players that stop producing for there team but yet still keep there money. I think they need to stop giving out guaranteed contracts and do it by performance....Because i feel alot of players have the attitude of they get paid regardless if they do good or not...And then these teams are stuck with there enormous contract....I make good money where i work, but if i don't do my job then i would get fired and i would lose my pay. They wont let me go and still pay me....I know alot of ppl are probably gona say you can't compare someones job with sports....But i say why not Sports is there job.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:05 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

     3.) Do the Clippers actually exist or are they a farm team for the rest of the NBA? Just ask Cleveland how they were able to get true value for Blow Williams.
Same situation.  The Clippers were so desperate to get rid of Baron Davis bloated contract and poor game they had to give up a first round pick to dump him.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 10:58 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Why is Hamilton's contract considered 'massive'??  He is owed 25 million over the next two years -- so 12.5 million a year.
Because its for two years, mainly.  A team might take on that salary for the "expiring salary" benefit if there was only one year left.  But shooting guards who have shot poorly 3 straight years, and bring nothing to the table anywhere else belong at the end of the rotation, if at all.  He's 33 years old, offers no upside and is grossly overpaid for what he brings - average shooting and below-average everything else.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 10:51 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Are you telling me that the Pistons can't get rid of Rip to any other team and get something in return for him? Yes he's old but he can still play......
Ok, he's old, and he can play A LITTLE.  Not $25M dollars worth of play.  No GM who expects to keep his job would trade for Rip Hamilton unless there was some enormous incentive to do so, and Rip's game isn't that incentive.

So yes, you understand correctly.  The Pistons can't get rid of Rip to any other team and get something in return for him........not without either paying for almost his entire salary or pushing a high draft pick with him.  Why would any other GM let themselves end up in the same situation Detroit is by taking on a mediocre overpaid player with two years left on his contract otherwise?



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 10:45 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I GUARANTEE
Dumbest thing ever?  Message board guarantees over someone completely out of one's control.  Guarantee?  What?  How?  Do I get my money back if you're wrong? 



Since: Jan 12, 2007
Posted on: May 30, 2011 9:47 am
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Yeah they were just good enough to win 60 games in back to back years.  How many games did Miami win this season?  Enjoy that inevitable sweep.


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