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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both? reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.

Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 9:38 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Too bad they didn't have the gumption for all of this wheelin' and dealin' when LBJ was still in town. Just a bit too late if you ask me, but who knows....if they pull this off they may just have a team that's good enough to run the East after Miami is done squeezing every last drop out of it.

Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 8:18 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

That should have read, makes no sense for Detroit.  Donald Sterling might do that, but nobody else. But this whole scenario is just the stuff sports writers invent after a three martini lunch so they have something to write about. Wont happen. Not like this. Additionally, Williams is NOT a sure thing, not according to any scout or GM you read about. He's good, but a tweener. I dont see cavs going after him when they can take a good player at four. Valucinias...they need a big guy who can run, or Vesley or Biyambo.........or hell, trade down if someone wants one of those guys. Sacramento Ive heard likes Biyambo. They want to lose Casspi. Give up Casspi and the 7 for the 4. THAT at least makes SOME sense.

Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 8:10 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

 Well, first off, Kanter might very well NOT be there at four. Utah loves him and really wants a new big center..........they dont come so often. SO this makes little sense. And there is no reason to do this trade as outlined. Thats stupid. makes no sense. Oh, here, take my lottary pick and also a good player so i can save a bit of money. Right.

Since: Apr 3, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 5:02 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

 Did you just compare your failings as a MADDEN GM to the Piston situation? Seriously?
I just died laughing

Since: Jan 14, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 4:53 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The Bulls may sign Rip but not to start. With Scalabrinie and Thomas coming off the books for the Bulls expect them to be major players for JR Smith, Aaron Aflallo, or Shannon Brown. In the case of Aflallo or another restricted FA shooting guard, look for the Bulls to move one of their 2 first round picks, Brewer/Bogans, and cash options on a sign and trade after making a qualifying offer too high for the respective team to match (in Afflalo's case an offer of around 5-8mil and then ultimately send them one of our first rd picks, Brewer, and cash to sign and trade him for 4 or 5 years 20-30mil). Hamilton would be a nice bench player at best to compliment Watson, Korver, Gibson, and Bogans but don't expect the Bulls to be major players for Rip unless they fail to get Aflallo, Smith, Brown or another younger more talented and promising SG.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 3:48 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

A bit greedy aren't we? Why don't the Cavs just try to make deals for the top 11 picks. That way they can draft a whole new team in one fell swoop.

Since: Feb 21, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 3:34 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

As a wolves fan(yes,we do exist),I dont like this deal at all.Yes,we could use 2 picks.we need a true center,and Knight or walker would be a heck of an addition.whatever needs we address,getting help for K.Love is a MUST.but as usual,management will screw the entire draft up.our higher ups couldnt manage a Dairy Queen,let alone a NBA team

Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 3:34 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

According to "The Pistons are not involved in three-way trade discussions with the Cavs and the Timberwolves, according to a team source with knowledge of the situation. The Pistons are not involved in three-way trade discussions with the Cavs and the Timberwolves, according to a team source with knowledge of the situation. "

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 3:06 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

My take is this - Cleveland keeps Rip, keeps the #8 pick, then gets Irving at #1 Kanter (or Williams) at #4 and then an athletic guard of the future in Burks at #8.  Then you have your PG of the present (to be trained by Baron Davis) a center (or small forward) and another shooting guard who will has a lot of flexibility.  Plus Cleveland still has 2 2nd round picks and while those don't usually turn into stars, they can certainly be effective role players.  Cleveland would be taking a step in the right direction.  Rip would have to understand he's going to be the first man off the bench and be satisfied with it.  Otherwise, they buy him out and he plays 8th or 9th man for the Heat or Bulls.  I don't think the Timberwolves will choose Williams (as said before their roster is already loaded with players like him), and I think the Jazz are definitely choosing Brandon Knight.
Anyway, that probably won't happen but it's fun to think about. 
Please tell me you are joking??  So in your mind -- Detroit is going to trade Rip Hamilton and the 8th pick to Cleveland for......................Nothing???  You HONESTLY think this is going to happen???  LMAO. 

While the Pistons are at it -- Why not give the Cavs both of our 2nd round picks too???   The Cavs are giving up so much, Detroit may need to sweeten the deal some more.

I GUARANTEE -- there is zero truth to this rumor and there is NO WAY Detroit gives away the 8th pick and Rip Hamilton and get NOTHING in return.  If it is future picks they are talking about giving to Detroit -- The Cavs are going to be the team who will have to give up multiple future picks for the trade to go thru.  Teams don't get lottery picks every year -- to think they would trade it away for nothing is ridiculous.  I don't care how 'weak' the draft is supposedly.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 2:57 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Yep. That's what just happened here, but I would probably let a Madden veteran run my franchise over Joe Dumars at this point. As for me, I quit playing Madden when they stopped letting ambulances come onto the field and run players over. After that, what's the point?

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