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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both? reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 2:55 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Minnesota will only make this deal if they think there will be a point guard they really like there. They'll probably even sweeten the pot if said point guard plays in and lives in another country and has no intention of going to Minnesota. If not, well, ol' David Khan might get flustered and tack a few more years onto Darko's contract.

Since: Jul 13, 2010
Posted on: May 29, 2011 2:51 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I am not from Detroit, I have no idea how the Piston's feel about Rip Hamilton, but it sounds like they are sleeping in separate bedrooms.  Sometime cutting ties even if it costs you is better than staying in a relationship that just festers into something worse than it already is.  I think the Piston's hands are tied.  They have no money to pay the 8th pick if they take it.  I have been stuck in a similar situation playing Madden on the Franchise mode.  I couldn't sign my picks from the draft and I already sucked...  So how do I get better...  I need to trade players to be able to have some cap room.  Everyone knows this years NBA draft has 4 players that are the cream of the crop.  That 8th pick will not do anything for Detroit because they already have 5 point guards with Stuckey, Hamilton, and Gordon among others....  and this draft is just loaded with guards, so moving this pick and Hamilton is not that big of a deal.  Now, with that said...  Gilbert is not a dumb business man, but he is one that will do what it takes to win.  If he wants the 2nd pick...  He will get it.  The hold up is Detroit...  I am sure Detroit wants a pick back in return maybe 2.  I can see Gilbert ordering the GM to give Detroit 2012 second round pick and 2013 first round pick plus a trade exception for this year for some cap space.  It makes sense for Cleveland because next years draft is expected to be loaded with Centers and Forwards.  Why give up your 1st rounder when you are still rebuilding.  If they get Irvin and Williams and come back with a legit Center next year.... They really don't need the 1st round pick in 2013 because he would be a role player because Varejao and Hickson would fill out the starting line-up, with Sessions and Davis as your shooting guards.   It makes sense for Detroit because they are in cap hell and even with the high priced free agent signings last year they still are a lottery team.  This draft won't help them, but add more money onto that cap for what..  A role player with the 8th pick!!!  Detroit would be just adding another high priced player to the bench with equals more cap hell.  Next year they can start fresh and have probably a real high lottery pick and 2 picks in the 2nd round and maybe get lucky in 2013 with 2 legit players to help them rebuild themselves into an NBA powerhouse again...  I think it would be beneficial for both teams..  Just my thoughts....
 Did you just compare your failings as a MADDEN GM to the Piston situation? Seriously?

Since: Aug 6, 2010
Posted on: May 29, 2011 1:56 pm

Why the Beasley/Williams comparison.

I don't know why Derrick Williams keeps getting compared to Michael Beasley. Williams is a more explosive player, he's like a more athletic,determined Glenn 'Big Dog' Robinson who also plays defense.

I would say he's a better, more explosive Glenn Robinson before I would compare him to Michael Beasley. I would even say Derrick Williams is like a poor man's Chris Webber.

Since: Feb 5, 2007
Posted on: May 29, 2011 1:04 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

As a Cavs fan, I was excited about this deal until I read "Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley."
Oh no! 

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:38 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

No one is "taking on" Hamilton's contract. Cleveland will buy him out and the Bulls will sign him for a minimum deal.  As far as whether or not he is the answer for the Bulls, time will tell. But I don't need time to know that the Bulls need secondary scoring and Rip Hamilton is a better scorer than Keith Bogans and Ronnie Brewer.

Since: Jun 15, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:26 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Asa Pistons fan this don't make sence to me at all...The Cavs would have Rip the number 1 and 2 pick...The Timberwolves would have the number 4 and 8 picks...And the Pistons??????? Nada, Zip,Nothing. Are you telling me that the Pistons can't get rid of Rip to any other team and get something in return for him? Yes he's old but he can still play......Last time i checked if you rebuilt a team you have to have a foundation a key player who is that for the Pistons because at one time or another they where all targeted in a trade....If the caves can pull this off Well kudos to them...all that tell's me is that there GM is alot smarter then ours.

Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:09 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Do you really think an aging Rip Hamilton is the problem solver for the Bulls? No. A stronger two is good, but Rip Hamilton isn't the answer. They'd be better off with Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo

Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:02 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

This trade rumor makes absolutely no sense from a Pistons point of view.  The speculation is that the Detroit Pistons will get a draft pick or picks from Cleveland in the future, but that's not listed as a specific piece of the trade rumor.  Thew Pistons would give up an All Star shooting guard who was a major factor in getting them to six consecutive Eastern Conference Finals, two NBA Finals, and one championship, who is still capable of scoring 20+ points any given night, plus the number eight pick in the draft, and get nothing in return?  Why would they want to do that?  All that would do is guarantee another dismal year, which is not very good for business.  I think this trade rumor is more like a dream that Dan Gilbert had.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 11:20 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

My take is this - Cleveland keeps Rip, keeps the #8 pick, then gets Irving at #1 Kanter (or Williams) at #4 and then an athletic guard of the future in Burks at #8.  Then you have your PG of the present (to be trained by Baron Davis) a center (or small forward) and another shooting guard who will has a lot of flexibility.  Plus Cleveland still has 2 2nd round picks and while those don't usually turn into stars, they can certainly be effective role players.  Cleveland would be taking a step in the right direction.  Rip would have to understand he's going to be the first man off the bench and be satisfied with it.  Otherwise, they buy him out and he plays 8th or 9th man for the Heat or Bulls.  I don't think the Timberwolves will choose Williams (as said before their roster is already loaded with players like him), and I think the Jazz are definitely choosing Brandon Knight.
Anyway, that probably won't happen but it's fun to think about. 

Since: Mar 5, 2007
Posted on: May 29, 2011 10:59 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The Bulls really need Hamilton. They should blow the cap trying to get him. Rip is their ticket their only hope.

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