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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both? reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 10:58 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Anyone who is willing to take on Rip Hamilton's massive contract deserves a #8 pick.  This is a weak draft and once you get beyond the first 3 to 5 players there are a bunch of players who basically are role players.  Why not get rid of this disruptive force, clear some cap space and dump the biggest problem they have all in one fell swoop.  The Pistons need a new direction and this rumored deal gives it to them.

What am I missing here??  Why is Hamilton's contract considered 'massive'??  He is owed 25 million over the next two years -- so 12.5 million a year.  It is not like the guy has slowed down or lost a step.  He just ended up in Kuester's dog house and his play was limited last year.  He is still a guy who will get you 16-20 pts a game, is automatic at the free throw line and has an engine that doesn't stop.

I could see if the guy was a major bust or was injured -- He just fell out of favor with the Pistons coach, like basically every player on the Pistons did this year with the exception of Greg Monroe.  LOL  After benching Rip for almost 2 months -- one of his 1st games back he scored 32 pts.

He isn't a liability on the defensive side of the ball either.  The only knock on Hamilton is he is 33 years old, but with his cardio, he hasn't slowed down at all.

Giving him away as well as a lottery pick for nothing would be ignorant.  The guy saying Detroit is in cap space hell confused me even more -- Detroit has 5 FA's this year and more than likely will be dropping 3 of them.  Contracts for NBA rookies aren't that much compared to other sports, so I'd much rather get a top 10 pick they could work with, than nothing at all.

Since: Sep 15, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 10:24 am

Sweet Deal for the Pistons

Anyone who is willing to take on Rip Hamilton's massive contract deserves a #8 pick.  This is a weak draft and once you get beyond the first 3 to 5 players there are a bunch of players who basically are role players.  Why not get rid of this disruptive force, clear some cap space and dump the biggest problem they have all in one fell swoop.  The Pistons need a new direction and this rumored deal gives it to them.

Since: Aug 11, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 10:13 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

For the sake of the Cavaliers and their fans I hope they make this work. The T-Wolves will fail no matter what they do. They have the worst run organization(?) in the NBA. Id the Wolves drafter the top 2 players they would still lose 60 games.. Cleveland, on the other hand could immediately become relevant again and win 33 games with more to come as they mature.

Since: Feb 29, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 10:09 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

They can have the whole draft and still blow the curse of King James

Since: May 25, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 9:40 am

Pistons would get 2 picks too.

I am not from Detroit, I have no idea how the Piston's feel about Rip Hamilton, but it sounds like they are sleeping in separate bedrooms.  Sometime cutting ties even if it costs you is better than staying in a relationship that just festers into something worse than it already is.  I think the Piston's hands are tied.  They have no money to pay the 8th pick if they take it.  I have been stuck in a similar situation playing Madden on the Franchise mode.  I couldn't sign my picks from the draft and I already sucked...  So how do I get better...  I need to trade players to be able to have some cap room.  Everyone knows this years NBA draft has 4 players that are the cream of the crop.  That 8th pick will not do anything for Detroit because they already have 5 point guards with Stuckey, Hamilton, and Gordon among others....  and this draft is just loaded with guards, so moving this pick and Hamilton is not that big of a deal.  Now, with that said...  Gilbert is not a dumb business man, but he is one that will do what it takes to win.  If he wants the 2nd pick...  He will get it.  The hold up is Detroit...  I am sure Detroit wants a pick back in return maybe 2.  I can see Gilbert ordering the GM to give Detroit 2012 second round pick and 2013 first round pick plus a trade exception for this year for some cap space.  It makes sense for Cleveland because next years draft is expected to be loaded with Centers and Forwards.  Why give up your 1st rounder when you are still rebuilding.  If they get Irvin and Williams and come back with a legit Center next year.... They really don't need the 1st round pick in 2013 because he would be a role player because Varejao and Hickson would fill out the starting line-up, with Sessions and Davis as your shooting guards.   It makes sense for Detroit because they are in cap hell and even with the high priced free agent signings last year they still are a lottery team.  This draft won't help them, but add more money onto that cap for what..  A role player with the 8th pick!!!  Detroit would be just adding another high priced player to the bench with equals more cap hell.  Next year they can start fresh and have probably a real high lottery pick and 2 picks in the 2nd round and maybe get lucky in 2013 with 2 legit players to help them rebuild themselves into an NBA powerhouse again...  I think it would be beneficial for both teams..  Just my thoughts....

Since: Jun 4, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 9:32 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I'm a huge Pistons fan and if they make this trade I won't be call it stubborn or whatever. I really hate the fact we overpaid then couldn't get rid of some of these guys. I love Rip, but his times over. Blow it up buy guys out do whatever, I think keep Monroe, Jerebko, and possibly Stuckey then blow it up. Pistons need that pick, or trade for some good veteran.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: May 29, 2011 9:07 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The biggest news in this trade isn't the trade itself. It isn't the players involved or the possibility of Cleveland picking first and second. No, what jumps out at me (even as a Bulls fan) is that Detroit is apparently concluding that the NBA will not play a single game in 2011. That's bad. I've long thought that the league is going to miss a season, but I sure don't like having that fear confirmed. I just think people are tuning out the pending NBA lockout because they're more concerned with the NFL lockout. Well, NBA fans need to re-think that stance. The NBA's labor issues will make the NFL's petty bickering look like a Korean massage. Walk into a car dealership, find a car that costs $25,000 and offer $15,000. That's what the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately, they've been paying $50,000 for that same car for years and want to blame everyone but themselves. The NBA is a mess, and this lockout will be brutal.

Since: May 7, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 8:12 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The Pistons would look real silly if they were to give up their lottery pick for nothing via trade. Their problem is that they're over-loaded at the guard position and no one would want to take either Rip or Gordon off of their hands due to Rip's 2year/$25M and especially Gordon's contract. The Pistons won't admit it,but they over-paid for Gordon and Charlie V and now they're stuck with them. In order for someone to take Rip off the Pistons' hands they have to include Tayshawn and/or Stuckey,a young role player,and a future pick.....The Pistons have a long,long way to go before they can get back to being a contender.Frown

Since: Dec 3, 2007
Posted on: May 29, 2011 8:10 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I agree with everyone who said the first thing Detroit should do is get rid of Hamilton even if it costs us the 8th pick.  Without this move Detroit would go through exactly what they did this year.  It doesn't make sense to pay Rip if he's the sixth man and both sides obviously don't want him here.  How would we sign the 8th pick anyway with the money already committed to Rip, Ben Gordon And Charlie V?  If any of us had cancer we'd do whatever it took to address it.  Rip is at least poison to the team. Pull this deal for his sake and the Pistons sake.

Since: May 11, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 7:41 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

This "deal" cracks me up. Why in the world would the Pistons give up something for NOTHING. Trade the #8 pick in the draft just to get rid of an overpaid player. I bet Dumars is actually considering it. How low has this org. gone?

Is Dan Gilbert trying to take the attention of LBJ??? What an idiot.

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