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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both? reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.

Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 3:46 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Pistons shouldn't even consider this trade. We will be terrible for years to come regardless of this trade. If we don't make the trade though we can get cap room and (hopefully) a promising young lottery player. 

Since: Apr 30, 2007
Posted on: May 29, 2011 1:33 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Shedding Rip is the first thing that needs to happen to help the Pistons rebuild.  And if giving up their No. 8 pick in exchange for clearing some cap space withouth penalty, they should do it.  Sure, it would mean the Pistons would probably have a couple more seasons of mediocrity.  But they cannot afford to worry about 2 seasons.  Dumars needs to be thinking about the future of the franchise.  And losing Rip would be a step in the right direction.

Oh, and Kemba Walker will be a good bench player at best.

Since: Mar 29, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 1:29 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The sad thing is, the "Heatles" haven't even started building around the Big Three yet. There will be more veterans willing to take a million dollar contract to play a role to get a ring, especially if they win a title in year one. Here's hoping the Mavericks keep that from happening! How many new Dallas fans will there be across the country, at least for the next few weeks! Crazy Mark Cuban or Bron Bron? ... Give me the nutty Billionaire!!

Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 1:14 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Surely you jest! No way do the Pistons need to keep Rip because they should start their rebuilding right now. The CAVS need the 1st and 2nd picks in the upcoming draft and will not take "no" for an answer!CoolMoney mouth And 3 or 4 titles for the Heatles? Come on man! No way Jose! One at best and even that isn't a "gimmie."Tongue out

Since: Mar 29, 2009
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:54 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

For Detroit, there's only one thing worse than Rip Hamilton's two year / 25 million left on his contract... and that is Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva's combined three years and 60 million left on their deals!!! We have potentially three non-starters making 31+ million for next season, almost half of the teams 2010/11 total salary. It is going to take a long time to get out from all the bad contracts that are on the books, so you may as well keep Hamilton and the top ten draft pick and start to build around Greg Monroe and Jonas Jarebko. Maybe 2014/15 we can get back to being a playoff team. By then LeBron, D Wade and Bosh will have three or four title and will be bored with the whole South Beach scene are a new team will be ready to take over the East. There's always hope right?

Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:49 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I think the deal would be great for the Cavaliers--of course. And here are some other thoughts I have on this potential deal:
     1.) The member that said the Pistons would be foolish to get rid of Rip Hamilton needs to look a little further and consider that the Pistion would be getting rid of salary while ridding themselves of a cancer in the locker room. That's probably worth more than an eighth pick that might turn out to be no more than a role player.

     2.) Did Chris Broussard of ESPN tweet this information just to make himself slightly relevant again like he does when he wants to fawn around Lecon and the Heatles and supposedly report inside info to us? This story (which I hope is true) reminds me of all the fantasy trades that are bartered and floated around as the trade deadline approaches after the all-star game: they're worthless!

     3.) Do the Clippers actually exist or are they a farm team for the rest of the NBA? Just ask Cleveland how they were able to get true value for Blow Williams.

     4.) And having finally run out of ideas ( I thought I have more cute stuff to say. but....), this deal will get done if it's real because it's a win-win situation for all of the aforementioned parties.    &nb
sp;     &n

Since: May 29, 2011
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:12 am

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I know this is an entirely different sport with different rules and regulations but look at the oakland raiders when they had Randy (Cry Baby) Moss. He played for them for all of what 3 years and had what 6 or so td's to show for it and pretty much was lackluster with them the whole time he was on their roster and the raiders traded him for next to nothing (4th round draft pick from the patriots). You can look at him and compare him to rip hamilton (the situation he was in not athleticlly) and see that when a player is not playing to his full potential and doing nothing but eating up the teams salary the team cant really do anything but trade him for anything that might help out the team whether that be saving salary or getting a better player. I can possibly seeing the pistons doing this just because theres no use keeping him on the roster if he just going to be the way he wants. Why not free up 25 mil over the next two seasons and possibly fill that void with someone who wants to play and compete. And hey Rip is still has some gas left in the tank maybe he just needs new scenery look at moss did for the patriots as soon as he left the raiders. Hey anything is possible in this world good thing the cavs got rid of lebron and have all that salary cap to play with.

Since: Mar 30, 2010
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:09 am

Clippers East coast style

I wish the Kings were as bad as these three teams so that nobody would care if they left town.... oh, wait a sec....

Since: Jun 10, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 10:45 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Who ever wrote this article bumped there head,Even Joe Dumars is not that stupid,to give up the # 8 pic and rip and not get anything in return,I know they want to get rid of rips contract,but not give up the #8 pic for nothing,Dumars can't be that dumb,is he,lol.

Since: Feb 13, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 10:20 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Three positively irrelevent teams are going to make a deal.  Who cares?

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