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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
 
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both?

ESPN.com reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.
Comments

Since: Apr 23, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 10:01 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Love this deal for the cavs but who we trading to Det?



Since: Mar 22, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 9:51 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The article doesn't mention who the Cavs will trade to Detroit for Hamilton and the number 8 pick.
  




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 9:33 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

And he'll tell you no, you won't.  He'll collect his $25M sitting on the bench and you won't suspend him for "even looking at the coach funny".  See, he actually has to violate the league rules or contract to warrant suspension.  You're stuck with a very rich malcontent because you chose a course of action doomed to failure because you're not dealing with T ball players.

I don't feel like looking it up but I can guarantee you there are clauses in every CBA that prevent an NBA player from just doing whatever he wants but continue to get paid without any consequences..... 

But you'd keep players he can't work with.  So, where do the magic roster spots come from to have one team of guys the coach can work with and the ones he can't?  And isn't part of a coach's job getting his players to play hard?  If he's failed at that fundamental point of coaching, the future isn't exactly promising for him.

So your solution is to allow 2 or 3 veterans on any NBA team at any time to decide who coaches and who doesn't?? Great idea !!!

Listen. If we're all lucky there will be a long lockout and at least one complete NBA season missed.  With some help from God maybe they'll be forced to come back with a hard cap or at least guaranteed contracts becoming a thing of the past.  This way when a punk like Rip Hamilton decides he's the man and that he'll decide who coaches and who doesn't they can cut his ass.  He would all or most of that money and be forced to sign somewhere else for a million or two if he wants to keep playing....

That's the only solution.. until then we have to put up with crap like this...



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 9:30 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

And he'll tell you no, you won't.  He'll collect his $25M sitting on the bench and you won't suspend him for "even looking at the coach funny".  See, he actually has to violate the league rules or contract to warrant suspension.  You're stuck with a very rich malcontent because you chose a course of action doomed to failure because you're not dealing with T ball players.

I don't feel like looking it up but I can guarantee you there are clauses in every CBA that prevent an NBA player from just doing whatever he wants but continue to get paid without any consequences..... 

But you'd keep players he can't work with.  So, where do the magic roster spots come from to have one team of guys the coach can work with and the ones he can't?  And isn't part of a coach's job getting his players to play hard?  If he's failed at that fundamental point of coaching, the future isn't exactly promising for him.

So your solution is to allow 2 or 3 veterans on any NBA team at any time to decide who coaches and who doesn't?? Great idea !!!

Listen. If we're all lucky there will be a long lockout and at least one complete NBA season missed.  With some help from God maybe they'll be forced to come back with a hard cap or at least guaranteed contracts becoming a thing of the past.  This way when a punk like Rip Hamilton decides he's the man and that he'll decide who coaches and who doesn't they can cut his ass.  He would all or most of that money and be forced to sign somewhere else for a million or two if he wants to keep playing....

That's the only solution.. until then we have to put up with crap like this... 



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 9:13 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

This trade if it happens would be a great thing for the Cavaliers and for the Timberwolves too.



Since: Nov 18, 2007
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:36 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

How can you not love Dan Gilbert?  He basically paid 12 mil for the Clippers draft pick, which turned out to be #1.  Now he's going to spend some more money to get the 2 players everyone wants.  Sure the part about winning a championship before the Heat was silly, but I loved the rest of his letter, even if he came off as a jilted lover




Since: Nov 25, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:27 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Cleveland trades the #1 and 4 for Lebron James...and they live happily ever after.



LMAO!  Now that would be hilarious!  Miami would never do it, but if they did they could solve their point guard problems and whatever else they want (probably a small forward you know... to replace LeBron).



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:17 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I am sure that Detroit is going to get something in return, maybe future draft picks of the Cavs...like the next 3 years.
Good one!  Still laughing....

Teams don't want Rip Hamilton and don't won't pay $25M to a ghost unless they're coming out very favorably in every other aspect of a deal.  The Pistons are stuck with Hamilton unless they're willing to take a loss.  They couldn't trade him straight up for a 2nd round pick in 2020 right now.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:12 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I say the Cavaliers should stay right where they are and take Irving at 1 and Enos Kanter at #4 then trade Davis and Antwain Jamison too teams that need that final piece that has playoff experience they think will put them very deep into the playoffs
Yeah, that would be ideal.  Too bad Jamison doesn't carry that kind of weight any more, and Baron Davis shows up most years unmotivated and out of shape.  If I remember right he's only played one full season in about 10 years.  Davis has skills, he just doesn't care enough about the game to have any team think he's going to be some missing piece to the puzzle.  It's not like he was racking up playoff experience with the Clippers.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:09 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Hamilton can't get along with the coach?  You sit down Hamilton and you tell him he has 2 options.  One. Shut up, play hard every single day and do the best you can to help this team.  Or two, we'll sit you the entire season, force you to practice with zero chance of playing and the first time you even look at the coach funny we'll suspend you without pay
And he'll tell you no, you won't.  He'll collect his $25M sitting on the bench and you won't suspend him for "even looking at the coach funny".  See, he actually has to violate the league rules or contract to warrant suspension.  You're stuck with a very rich malcontent because you chose a course of action doomed to failure because you're not dealing with T ball players.

Too bad so sad for them... I wouldn't fire the coach.. I'd work on getting the guy players to work with... then and only then can you judge him.
But you'd keep players he can't work with.  So, where do the magic roster spots come from to have one team of guys the coach can work with and the ones he can't?  And isn't part of a coach's job getting his players to play hard?  If he's failed at that fundamental point of coaching, the future isn't exactly promising for him.


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