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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
 
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both?

ESPN.com reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.
Comments

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 8:03 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

 I can't stand to watch Lebron cry over every call while traveling 10 times a game and nothing is called.
But you were good with it when Jordan did it?  Seems strange.

Now might be a good time for a break from basketball
That does sound like a good idea.  You're obviously not enjoying it.



Since: Aug 17, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 7:05 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I agree redwing69, the NBA is screwed up if not corrupt. No one seems to learn anything from the past. Too many players who have outlived their usefulness with huge salaries. The only way to move anyone seems to take 3 or 4 teams multi player deals, cap room??? it's a joke. The rich still get richer and the poor get poorer. I can't stand to watch Lebron cry over every call while traveling 10 times a game and nothing is called. I'm getting to the point where I don't care about the NBA right now. I gave up on baseball for about 5 years and am just starting to come back. Now might be a good time for a break from basketball. But the Bulls with Rose, Noah, are fun to watch.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:51 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I say the Cavaliers should stay right where they are and take Irving at 1 and Enos Kanter at #4

Sorry to be rude but with all due respect are you retarded?  Why in God's name WOULDN'T the Cavs make this deal??  They are basically swapping the number 4 overall pick for the number 2 overall pick and taking on Rip's contract..... what's wrong with that???  Rip is still a good player ( if he stops crying about coaches) and Cleveland doesn't and won't have 3 guards that are better then him for the upcoming season.  So you make the trade, take the top 2 picks in the draft along with a solid veteran that can score and teach the kids a few things... like I said the NBA is corrupt.. if you have a chance to be on the right side of the corruption you better grab it.....



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:47 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Seems like too high of a price to me for Detroit to rid themselves of Rip. 

Listen man. The NBA is CORRUPT..... don't you guys understand that?  Why the hell else would ANYBODY make a trade like that?  Well unless of course you're in charge of the Cavaliers that is... then you jump all of that deal !!!!!!   Don't tell me it's to get rid of Hamilton's big contract because that's crap for so many reasons I don't even know where to start.  People keep referring to the Pistons new owner and how getting rid of Hamilton's contract helps. Tell me something.... is this new owner spending hundreds of millions purchasing the Pistons to LOSE for the next 10 years? Because if he is, that's how you get it done and he's on his way.... great job.   If you want to lose then you trade top 10 picks......  last I checked the NBA still doesn't have a hard cap either so there is no need for this and wouldn't be a need even if there was a hard cap....  that's flat out the dumbest rumour i've ever heard in my life following all sports...

Hamilton can't get along with the coach?  You sit down Hamilton and you tell him he has 2 options.  One. Shut up, play hard every single day and do the best you can to help this team.  Or two, we'll sit you the entire season, force you to practice with zero chance of playing and the first time you even look at the coach funny we'll suspend you without pay.  Some of you think firing the coach is the answer? Why? Because a few frustrated veterans complained?  Too bad so sad for them... I wouldn't fire the coach.. I'd work on getting the guy players to work with... then and only then can you judge him. 

But this is the NBA... so the rumour is probably true.  At most maybe the Pistons will get a Cleveland first round pick 3 years down the road when Cleveland is in the playoffs and maybe winning divisions again... and with trades like this Cleveland would get better really fast.... 
 



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:47 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Detroit does appear to be getting the worst of the rumored deal BUT it's not as if Detroit can trade Hamilton. NO ONE will take on that bloated contract. Detroit would essentially be trading its 8th pick for whoever it can pick up with the cap space cleared in free agency. Given that kind of money, it may very well be someone better than an unproven rookie.



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:13 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I say the Cavaliers should stay right where they are and take Irving at 1 and Enos Kanter at #4 then trade Davis and Antwain Jamison too teams that need that final piece that has playoff experience they think will put them very deep into the playoffs giving the Cavs there 1st round picks in 2012, they will be middle to late picks anyhow and there clock is running out and those picks wont help them but will help the Cavs big time giving them three 1st round picks in 201 in a draft that is very deep in forwards and shooting guards and some centers, with Kanter they wont need a center, that is the way to go and they also keep there 15 million dollar exempion dammit!!!



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:05 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

The Cavaliers is not going to give up any lotto picks to Detroit in this trade, I will have what you are smoking, nt when the Cavs can keep their 4th overall and take Enos Kanter, LMAO!!!!



Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 6:03 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Davis is trade bait, he will not be part of the Cavaliers next season along with Antwan Jamison, those two guys could very lickly brin in mid 1st round picks either in this 2011 draft or I would prefere trade them for 1st round picks in the 2012 NBA draft that is going to be deep in forwards and shooting guards with some scattered centers, the Cavaliers with three 1st round picks in 2012 would then be deadly for the next 10-13 years!!! ITS THAT SIMPLE CAVS FANS.



Since: May 21, 2011
Posted on: May 28, 2011 5:33 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I am sure that Detroit is going to get something in return, maybe future draft picks of the Cavs...like the next 3 years.  Even if the Cavs get the 1st and 2nd pick they are not going to be a playoff team suddenly.  My guess is then Detroit gets two lottery picks next year and then two first round picks the year after that.  You dont give something for nothing, that is not how you do things and i think we all know that.  I am sure CBS just didnt put in what Detroit would get because this story is about the Cavs trying to get the first two picks, not what Detroit is going to get in return of Rip and the #8 pick



Since: Feb 3, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 5:22 pm
 

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Seems like too high of a price to me for Detroit to rid themselves of Rip.

Interesting that there's a rule now known as the "Stepien Rule" because the Cavs traded away all of their 1st round picks in the 1980s, but now they're collecting them like bobbleheads.....


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