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Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:25 pm
Edited on: May 28, 2011 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Minnesota Timberwolves are reportedly in trade talks involving their draft picks. Posted by Ben Golliver.irving-williams

Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams? Why not both? reports that sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and are expected to draft Irving, a star point guard out of Duke University, are also considering trading for the No. 2 pick. The Cavaliers would then use that pick, which is currently owned by the Minnesota Timberwolves, to select Williams, a star forward from the University of Arizona.

The full trade rumor breaks down as follows:
  • Detroit Pistons trade the No. 8 pick and Richard Hamilton to Cleveland Cavaliers. 
  • Cleveland Cavaliers trade the No. 4 pick and Detroit's No. 8 pick to Minnesota Timberwolves for the No. 2 pick.
  • Cleveland uses its $14.6 million trade exception to absorb Hamilton's contract.
The site also reports...
Cleveland would then buy Hamilton out of the $25 million remaining in the last two years on his contract, leaving the veteran shooting guard free to sign with another club as a free agent. Chicago would be one of the likeliest destinations.
Let's take a look at this trade proposal from all angles.

First, for the Cavaliers, this would require a fair bit of capital expenditure in bringing Hamilton on board. He is owed $12.7 million next season and $12.7 in 2012-2013, although only $9 million of that is guaranteed. Hamilton, 33, still has a little fuel left in the tank and badly needs a change of scenery out of Detroit. If the Cavaliers love Derrick Williams, though, paying Hamilton is a reasonable cost to have the opportunity to draft Williams. This move would give the Cavaliers a core of Irving, Williams, Anderson Varejao and J.J. Hickson to build around, with Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions also in the fold as rotation players or trade assets. Additional moves would need to be made to clarify that rotation, including the possibility mentioned above of buying out Hamilton, but no doubt that team wins more than the 19 games Cleveland won in 2010-2011 and the group would clearly be on an upward path. Nabbing the top two "sure thing" prospects in a draft would have to be considered a major win.

The Timberwolves would consider this trade because Williams is probably too similar to Michael Beasley, who is already in place. Trying to dissect this franchise's logic is always difficult, but if Minnesota prefers a big man like Enes Kanter, he will likely be available at No. 4 and they would be able to add an asset for flopping spots. With the No. 8 selection, the Timberwolves could then address their point guard position if either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker was still on the board, or they could add a shooter -- something they desperately need -- like Alec Burks or maybe even take a chance on Bismack Biyombo. Like the Cavaliers, the Timberwolves need a lot of help. Does Williams alone make them better in the short term? Would Knight plus Burks or Kanter plus Burks be a better combination? There's a 

The Pistons, here, are probably griping that the cost of moving Hamilton's contract is too high, as it would leave them without a first round draft pick. Indeed, the Detroit Free Press reported that a source denied the talks were taking place and Detroit News reported soon after this rumor broke that the "Pistons wouldn't trade Rip, who's almost becoming an expiring contract w/lockout coming, and get rid of a draft pick." That's half-true at best. Hamilton is owned at least $20 million, the franchise is under new ownership and badly needs to rebuild, and Hamilton made life absolutely miserable all season long for coach John Kuester. The Pistons should be happy to pay for the right to dump him, but obviously they don't want to be left empty handed. There's definitely a way to get Detroit happy with this trade, whether it's sending back a lower pick, a role player or a future draft consideration. Shedding Hamilton's contract and attitude is priceless if Detroit is serious about taking their team in a new direction.

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 5:18 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Detroit is going to trade away the 8th pick overall and Rip Hamilton and get....................Nothing

Exaxtly.  They get rid of a player and a draft pick and they get nothing.  I know Rip is disgruntled and all, but is it worth killing your entire draft to get rid of him?  He wasn't the only player who revolted against the coach.

Dump the coach, play Rip so you can trade him, and then draft a PG at 8.   

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 5:02 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

That makes sense -- Detroit is going to trade away the 8th pick overall and Rip Hamilton and get....................Nothing.&nbs
p; Great Idea Detroit.  We saw what we did the last time we had 'cap space' -- Ben Gordon and Charlie V have been just WONDERFUL!!! 

If Detroit makes this deal -- I will forever write them off.

Since: Jun 21, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 4:27 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I think this is a great deal for all parties... Pistons get to unload some cap space, and T-Wolves trade down and get 2 SOLID players instead of 1... Cavs get the 2 players they want.

C - Kanter / Milicic
PF - Love / Rudolph
SF - Burks / Beasley
SG - Johnson / Ellington
PG - Flynn / Rubio

Cavs instantly get two potential all-stars in Williams and Irving..

Pistons get a break from Rip Hamilton (contract)...

Since: Dec 29, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:59 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

exactly! very simple, if they draft small at one they are screwed, if they draft d will at one, they get either knight or walker at four. I think knight will be as good as irving.

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:58 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Is Kuester that amazing of a coach that the team is willing to give up their pick to get rid of a player who does not like him?  If Rip does have some left in the tank, keep him, fire Kuester, and move on.  If Rip is too broken down, pay him to go away.  But at least keep the pick and take a PG the team badly needs.  

And if you have to keep Rip and want to move him, I'm sure they can find someone else to take him off of their hands and they can take someone else's dead deals.    

This trade seems to be pretty idiotic on Detroits end.  Cleveland has nothing to lose and this would work for them and no one can ever understand what Kahn is going to do in Minny.   

Since: Dec 28, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:44 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

I'm a Bulls fan, but I think the Cavs should just take Williams with the 1st pick and take Knight out of Kentucky with the 4th pick...then they have two building blocks for that team for the next 10 years.  Knight is every bit as good as Irving. 

Since: Oct 16, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:41 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Cute. Window dressing at best, since  David Stern is going to channel his best Gary Bettman and shut down the 2011-12 season.

Since: May 6, 2009
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:40 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

That would be good for everyone. Rip wants out and he'll get his wish. Cavs will get the two players they want. Wolves want a big man and don't want Williams. They also would be able to get a point guard or scorer. Wondering what Pistons get oh. Probably why this trade may not go down.

Since: Jul 10, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:18 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Would love to see the cavs get Irving and Williams to go along with Hickson, Varejo,Davis and Sessions. Great rebuilding start! GO CAVS!!!!!

Since: Apr 3, 2010
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:17 pm

Cavaliers trying to trade for No. 2 pick?

Seems like a good idea for all teams involved...the only thing I would of done differently if Im the Cavs is made is out to seem like I was gonna take Williams with the 1st pick..that way Minny would be "stuck" with Kyrie Irving..god knows they dont need another guard on that team.

Cavs should just take Williams number 1 and Kemba Walker number 4 though...Irving is injury prone.

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