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Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

Posted on: June 4, 2011 3:39 pm
Edited on: June 4, 2011 3:48 pm
 
Posted by Royce Young



The way the world turned on Russell Westbrook in the postseason was almost shocking. Actually, not "almost." It was completely, entirely stunning.

A player that during the regular season almost everyone agreed was maybe the real MVP of a 55-win division champion went from a blossoming superstar into a target that mediatypes zeroed in on. After the Thunder's exit in the Western Conference Finals to the Mavericks, there were actually debates and discussion that -- and I still can't believe this -- asked, "Should the Thunder trade Russell Westbrook?"

Yeah, trade a 22-year-old point guard that made the All-Star team and was named second-team All-NBA in his third season and is maybe just now starting to realize his potential. Yeah, trade the point guard that finished the season averaging 21.9 points and 8.2 assists per game with a PER of 23.6, which was eighth in the league and better than the MVP Derrick Rose. Yeah, trade the point guard that's part of Sam Presti's overall long-term plan that helped push one of the league's youngest rosters to the Western Finals, averaging 24 points, six assists and five rebounds a game.

Yeah, trade that guy.

Regardless, somehow a manufactured trade rumor surfaced that Westbrook for Chris Paul had potential. In reality, this deal was never anything more than pure speculation on the part of overreactive media members and emotional fans having a party with the Trade Machine, but it gained enough traction for Hornets general manager Dell Demps to address. Via the Times-Picayune:

“Sam Presti and I, our offices used to be right next to each other, so we still text each other all the time, and I can assure you that has not been a conversation we’ve had,” Demps said, reportedly while smiling as he talked.

And if you asked Sam Presti, he probably wouldn't even answer you about this fabricated rumor. (Actually knowing Sam Presti he'd be incredibly vague and say something like, "We always looking at options to improve and enhance our roster, but I'm not going to comment publicly about any discussions we've had with other teams. But Russell is definitely part of our long-term plans." Which is Presti saying, "No, you idiot.)

The fact this is even a story to the point Demps was asked about it is incredible. You can't slow down the monster that was created by people bashing Westbrook during the playoffs and it's gotten to the point where actual GMs are being quizzed. Oklahoma City isn't trading Russell Westbrook. He's almost assuredly getting an extension with the Thunder July -- likely for near the league maximum -- and is a key part of the Thunder's blueprint to build a winner.

Even if Kevin Durant is unhappy with his relationship with Westbrook, Presti isn't the type to overreact. These guys are young. They're growing together, experiencing things for the first time as a group. There were some tough moments in the playoffs. And if it came to Durant being ruffled about Westbrook, Presti isn't going to just give up right there. First, Westbrook's way, way too good and secondly, Presti understands these guys are young and still in a lot of ways, immature. There's a lot of time to move past any kind of chemistry hiccup.

Again, 22 years old. Twenty-two. Westbrook wants to be in OKC. The team wants him in OKC and its about to prove it by ponying up the dollars. Everyone loves a good swap and trade rumors are fun. But if the Hornets are looking to deal Paul for someone before he becomes a free agent in 2012, Demps need not call Presti. Because there's nothing to talk about.
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Since: Jul 26, 2008
Posted on: June 6, 2011 8:27 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

No doubt. But whatever the case, I'm not approving any trade for Paul if I'm Sam Presti. Stick with Russ...3 years younger, higher ceiling and has not missed any length of time due to injury and has not needed to be scoped. This is all media hype anyways.




Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 6, 2011 8:04 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

You overlooked the part about me stating those skills are something that will be developed in time for Rose and Westbrook, or every player has the ability to attain that level of play if it is within their capacity, however, CHRIS PAUL and DERON WILLIAMS will NEVER BE the ATHLETES that RUSS and ROSE ARE!


Yeah athletes... being athletic... that gets you a ring.... and Roses MVP was such a joke I couldn't help but laugh when he was chosen... the "anti" James. Durant or James was hands down the MVP this year. Rose shot one of the lower percents I can remember a MVP winning it since Iverson won it when he averaged 31 points per game on a team of who? And he had to score to get his team to the finals to get swept. Rose shouldn't be shooting 20 shots per game to get 25 points... that isn't as efficient as the top scorers and his passing isn't as good as the top passers. Assist to turnover ratio 7.7- 3.4 just over 2 to 1 in a mvp year as a PG? Last PG to win the MVP Nash...  shot over 50 % and had 11 assists per game and about 20 points per game and shot only about 13 shots per game. Rose and Westbrook are great players no doubt, but when we talk about a fit for a team like the Thunder or the Bulls who have depth I think a PG that is more effecient with his shot and superior passing. They can be "athletic" as they want if they shoot 43 % and go 8-28 on more nights then Paul and Williams will. Williams and Paul have speed, smarts, and better vision all over. I'm not sitting here saying they are bad players, but JR Smith is an athletic player, so was Julian Wright... where did that get them with the Hornets? Yeah.... exactly that can only get you so far.



Since: Jul 26, 2008
Posted on: June 6, 2011 4:52 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

You should look more then just "one" year.... Paul and Williams careers far are much better... Westbrook a career 42 % shooter both Paul and Williams are over 46 % and assists to turnovers are much better as well. So while "stats" are nice and all, Westbrooks career is great and all so far "stats" wise, but he shoots a low % forces shots, and doesn't have the assist to turnover ratio Williams or Paul have and he has a much better go to guy scoring wise then either of them... enough said.


Why bother doing the extra work and posting all seasons played, when a biased opinion is going to dictate answers. Enough said? You got a gavel there that ultimately allows your OPINION to reign supreme?

You overlooked the part about me stating those skills are something that will be developed in time for Rose and Westbrook, or every player has the ability to attain that level of play if it is within their capacity, however, CHRIS PAUL and DERON WILLIAMS will NEVER BE the ATHLETES that RUSS and ROSE ARE! So while you compare apples to oranges, remember, Rose and Westbrook are the epitome of combo gaurd and "CAN" develop the floor general ability. However, you don't have to be Chris Paul or Deron Williams to win a championship. Ask Finals MVP Tony Parker. A guy who is not your average floor general and actually has similar stats to Rose and Russ. Difference is, Rose and Russ once again are superior athletes, even to Parker. This is not hard to see.

Repeating is so uncalled for but, we know what we're getting with Paul and Williams. They are All-Stars. Great players. The surface has been scratched though. Do you get that? Rose and Russ, both All-Stars, one of which, is league MVP, has 3 years to go in this league to have played as long as Paul and Williams. It is a forgone conclusion barring injury that both Rose and Russ will have done more in the seasons, in the playoffs and on the stat sheet than the other two, at the same window of experience. Don't blame it on where or who they play with, that's just lame. Accept the fact that NOLA is going to be WITHOUT a superstar and is looking toward the bottom of the barrel if Paul does not resign with the team. It's time to pray for a Deron Williams trade and hope for nickels and dimes in return.

Also, you put too much stock into the assist and shooting % being something concrete. You seem to have this thing where that skill cannot be developed. A player can learn to not turn the ball over. If understanding development is an issue, than there is no point to the conversation.

You say their careers are much better. How? Conference finals for Williams? 1 year...3 years ago! Paul?  Nope. Westbrook? Yup, this year. Rose? Yup, this year...oh and don't forget about that LEAGUE MVP. Get with the program bush leaguer, this is a "what have you done for me lately NBA" just like the other professional sports.




Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 6, 2011 7:31 am
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

You should look more then just "one" year.... Paul and Williams careers far are much better... Westbrook a career 42 % shooter both Paul and Williams are over 46 % and assists to turnovers are much better as well. So while "stats" are nice and all, Westbrooks career is great and all so far "stats" wise, but he shoots a low % forces shots, and doesn't have the assist to turnover ratio Williams or Paul have and he has a much better go to guy scoring wise then either of them... enough said.



Since: Jul 26, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2011 11:53 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

Though stats may not matter to "some"..

Paul - 15.8pts - 46% - 4REB - 9.8 ASSISTS - 2.4 STEALS - .1 BLOCK - 2.21 TURNOVERS

Williams - 20.1 Points - 43% - 4 REB - 10.3 ASSISTS - 1.2 STEALS - .2 BLOCK - 3.54 TURNOVERS

Rose - 25 POINTS - 44% - 4.1 REB - 7.7 ASSISTS - 1 STEAL - .6 BLOCK - 3.43 TURNOVERS

Westbrook - 21.9 - 44% - 4.6 REB - 8.2 ASSISTS - 1.9 STEAL - .4 - 3.85 TURNOVERS

When you actually look at it, not really too much of a difference to cry about other than turnovers. To talk about jacking up shots, that is just ridiculous considering their % is not bad for a combo point, compared to the "floor generals". For all that talk, Rose and Westbrook will ultimately shoot better and tone down their turnovers, it's a given, unless your name is Deron Williams, whose turnover rate is consistent.

Basically, if this is now, wait another 3 years and see where Rose and Russ are statistically. I think we've already come to the conclusion of what we're getting with Paul and Williams, not much more to see. But for the other kids, the surface has just been scratched and they both are superior athletically to Williams and Paul. That's a no brainer. But.. you can choose to spin it however you want. The proof is in the pudding.




Since: Jul 26, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2011 10:57 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

MrOkc, you are dumb. You believe what the media tells you to believe. Or are you buddies with Westbrook and have insider knowledge? LMFAO...tard. I'm in OKC, let me know where you're at, I'll come over and slap some sense in to you.

As for this STUPID idea. This will NEVER happen. Get that through your hopeful or intolerant skulls. NOLA fans hoping to land Russ in return for Paul, Russ won't extend with you anyways. Small market to small market would not make any lick of sense. Who's roster would you rather run with, Thunder without Russell or New Orleans without Paul? OMG that is so unfair an assessment.

As for my fellow OKC fans, if you are looking to unload Russ, get of the wagon at the next stop. You probably don't even know the owners name, the mayor who helped bring them to the city, or voted, like I did, for renovations to the Arena. You defer to the real citizens and fans of the city, otherwise stfu. Russ wants to play in OKC, and has not indicated EVER that he did not.

And you tool.... that commented on Russell and Rose's skills as not being a player you'd want over Paul, let me tell you something, enjoy Paul while you have him! Hell, enjoy the Hornets while you have them. While Paul may be "superior", both Rose and Russell entertained in their respective conference finals this season. Something Paul has not done since 07-08. Get at me when the Hornets get out of the 1st round with Paul leading the way. It's tied one apiece for each of these talented kids getting to that stage of the playoffs. So... game on.

This league and it's players are measured in rings and a lengthy, consistent career.

One more thing, while Russell and Rose still have a ways to go in developing the vision to become the floor general that Paul or Williams are, as you say, Paul & Williams will NEVER develop the athleticism that both Russ and Rose bring to the table...EVER! Genetically superior athletes. Paul is probably going to need that knee scoped again in another year anyways.




Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 5, 2011 9:50 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

Westbrook would be ideal to get back for the Hornets if Paul is to leave via FA... or if we don't get a winning team sooner then later. Paul is without a doubt better then Westbrook. I don't care what stats, what anyone puts on here, Westbrook and Rose are pretty much the same player, shoot a lot and pretty good passers. They will keep shooting bad shots even if they are forced into them instead of finding the open man. Their vision isn't even in the same class as Paul. Paul and Williams are the real classes at PG. Williams leaves and the Jazz fall flat out of the playoffs. Paul gets the Hornets almost past the Lakers without West (who I feel West is overrated in my opinion) and with a very limited team has done very well with them. Look at Westbrook, has arguably the best player in Durant, Rose has one of the deepest teams in the league, and a great 4 playing with him at point. While he is the best of the 5 that is arguably the best 5 in the NBA depth wise from 1-5. Great Center, real good PF solid SF great PG... I think that Paul would thrive in OKC and he could help them be a true contender and bring them grit from the PG spot that has a playoff tested PG that will know when to pass, score and play defense.



Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: June 5, 2011 4:05 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

we would take paul over westbrook any day. The kid wants to play for the lakers kinda like the carmelo situation. So let him go



Since: Nov 16, 2010
Posted on: June 5, 2011 2:21 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

I bet itt comes down to with Paul or Howard they have toi be traded or get nothing when they leave a free agents. Paul is going to leave so trade him. Howard unless he tell Magic he wil stay if he leaves they get nothing. Trade them both or end up like Cavs. Lose star player get nothing for them. The worse thing that could happen they leave and you get nothing.



Since: Jan 10, 2007
Posted on: June 5, 2011 1:36 pm
 

Demps denies Westbrook for Paul rumor

Westbrook has time to grow, he has room to grow, but does anyone really have a good gut feeling he will grow out of his immaturity?


Personally, I think CP3 is better floor general for the Thunder which have enough sources of points, they need assists from their point man, not a guy hell–bent on taking the game over ala Jordan or something. 


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