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Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

Posted on: August 3, 2011 11:12 pm
Edited on: August 4, 2011 7:29 am
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Posted by Royce Young

Are you looking for a little lockout optimism? A little good news on the bargaining front? Something to give you hope for next year actually happening?

Well then stop reading. Because here comes some serious negativity.

Via the Baltimore Sun, union chief Billy Hunter told a seminar that he doesn't see the 2011-12 NBA season as likely. In fact, he's not putting his money on it, noting that the two sides are "$800 million apart per year."
"The circumstances have changed among his constituency," said Hunter, referring to NBA commissioner David Stern. "In the last six or seven years, there is a new group of owners to come in who paid a premium for their franchises, and what they're doing is kind of holding his feet to the fire."

Because negotiators are dug in, Hunter said "something has to happen that both of us can use as leverage to save face."

Asked by a conference attendee whether there would be a 2011-12 season, he replied: "If I had to bet on it at this moment, I would probably say no."

The NBA had no immediate response after being apprised of Hunter's comments, spokesman Tim Frank said.

At the seminar that also included DeMaurice Smith, the NFL Players Association executive director. Hunter told attendees to ask him tough questions, which they apparently did. Hunter was asked about the report that Stern makes somewhere in the $23 million a year range, even though that number is being disputed.

"I think it's somewhat ironic. It's inconsistent to me," he said.

But there's good reason Hunter isn't willing to bet on a 2011-12 season. He said the league's most recent proposal would keep average salaries around $5 million, which is where they are now. However, Hunter said owners initially demanded that "we give them back a billion dollars a year." That number then came down to $900 million he said, but still, that's not anywhere close to what the union is looking for.

"A month and a half ago, we gave them a proposal that we would give them back $100 million per year," the union chief said. "The gap is far between us." Yeah, I guess you could say that."

If Hunter's that pessimistic about the season, it's hard to see the light. Still, at the same time you've got to realize all of these public comments are part of the negotiations. It's posturing from one side to the other. When fans hear 2011-12 will be lost, they get cranky and immediately start pushing to try and nudge one side to cave. And the side that always ends up looking bad in that scenario is the owners. So it's to Hunter's advantage to talk doom and gloom.

But with the way all of this has gone and with the gap so wide, it might not be entirely jargon this time. Which isn't fun.


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Since: Jan 13, 2009
Posted on: August 5, 2011 2:56 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

the only things most people will miss is ripping LeDung boy and the other 2 stooges in sou beech



Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: August 5, 2011 12:20 am
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

Bring it on.  I can't wait to not have to listen to non stop coverage of the NBA on ESPN.  Besides College basketball is a thousand times better anway.  Be gone NBA, have a permanent lockout.



Since: Mar 21, 2007
Posted on: August 4, 2011 10:06 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

I see the s--- talkers are coming out of the woodwork after having to sit on their hands early summer while the NBA was having an uproarious post-season.  Go back to your MLB or NHL boards, trolls.  A lot of you sound like idiots and obviously aren't familiar with today's league; instead, you're maintaining perceptions that are 5-10 years old.  Be gone.



Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: August 4, 2011 6:42 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

This is by far the dumbest comment I've seen in a long long time.  Most of the players that choose to play overseas would play in Europe.  Now, apparently, you haven't seen Europe in your life.  These people will not need guns to start with, there is NO drive-by shooting in Europe.  No need for extreme measures of security.  Second, they will probably get paid more than they were making in the US, and will be living in much nicer cities than Cleveland, Detroit, etc...  And yes, we have suites in the 5-star hotels and yes, there is first class on the European flights.


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Since: Apr 27, 2011
Posted on: August 4, 2011 6:28 pm
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Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: August 4, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

Please no offense to the die-hard NBA fan, but I personnaly don't care if the league ever comes back. I think that of the major sports, the NBA has demonstrated the best that the players and owners truly do not care about the fans.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: August 4, 2011 3:54 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

If there is one sport that needs to take a year off it's the NBA.  Better yet, take two years off. 



Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: August 4, 2011 2:46 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

Well as a Spurs fan who knows that his team is DEFINITLY making money and sells out every night of the year, its disappointing to know that there likely wont be a season because other small market teams have failed so miserably in the same boat.

Don't think that the Spurs management are geniuses and that all other small market teams are idiots...the Spurs got lucky that their lottery pick big men turned out to be cornerstones that they could surround with lower priced players and still succeed.  And yes, it was luck not savvy...there are just as many highly touted big men that didn't pan out (remember, the Spurs also used a first round pick on Dwayne Schintzius).  


Screw all you other teams who arnt making money. Seriously, the NBA may just have to consider serperating the have and the have nots permanently if this lockout lasts too long and these losers keep bogging us down.

The "haves" are about 8 teams, and by the way, the Spurs aren't one of them...once the Duncan/Ginobli/Parker run ends, what free agents will be chomping at the bit to go to San Antonio?  The same ones that are willing to go to Phoenix...

The NBA business model is broken...if it is left to proceed as it is, there will be 4 or 5 super-teams and everyone else, and you need the "everyone else" to have a chance at getting better or else the league will fail.






Since: Jun 18, 2009
Posted on: August 4, 2011 2:28 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

let the greedy bastards starve they just dont get it we are in a major recession and they want more they forget there is no NBA without the fans. let go out in the real world and get a real job!



Since: Dec 16, 2008
Posted on: August 4, 2011 2:11 pm
 

Hunter says he wouldn't bet on a 2011-12 season

Well as a Spurs fan who knows that his team is DEFINITLY making money and sells out every night of the year, its disappointing to know that there likely wont be a season because other small market teams have failed so miserably in the same boat.

I really think it comes down to the fans. Here we dont tolerate failure. If our team sucks, we get new players. We also have a system that emphasizes a very structured offense and teamwork, which I just dont see in the other small market teams that end up sucking year in and year out.

Fans wont go to games, buy tickets, or watch their teams play on TV if the team always sucks and they're always bringing in top 10 draft picks that turn out to be busts. Drafting John Wall number 1 overall last year won the Wizards 2 road games this season. Imagine if they had given that pick to the Spurs for Tony Parker or Manu Ginobli? You think the Wizards would have won just 2 road games with either of those 2 on the team? No way. Stop sucking, drafting 18 year old kids, firing your lame duck coaches, and get veterans in there from teams like the Spurs and Lakers who ACTUALLY know what they're doing and maybe you'll start winning and the fans will start caring.

Screw all you other teams who arnt making money. Seriously, the NBA may just have to consider serperating the have and the have nots permanently if this lockout lasts too long and these losers keep bogging us down.


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