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Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Posted on: August 12, 2011 1:09 pm
 
By Matt Moore



In this week's edition of the Friday 5we take a look at the Hall of Fame and what it means, the power of super-teams, and wonder what exactly the NBPA and NBA are doing during this lockout, since they're so busy. 

1. There's been some discussion of whether Dennis Rodman was "flashy" enough to belong in the Hall. I argued yesterday that not only is he arguably the best true role player of the last thirty years, he was also pretty good at offense early in his career before he switched to just defense and rebounding. Is "style' a prerequisite for the Hall in your mind?

KB: I think style could be a qualifying factor to enhance a Hall of Fame resume -- i.e. Julius Erving and Pete Maravich -- but shouldn't be a disqualifying factor. Should Tim Duncan not be in the Hall of Fame because he's boring? Rodman definitely belongs on the merit of his play. The fact that he was a grunt specialist on the floor and has become a comic book character off it has little to do with how deserving he is.

2. Your terrific piece on Tex Winter with his son Chris hearkened back to those days in Chicago, which he's most known for. Phil, Jordan, Pippen, now Rodman and Tex. Will we see a team's nucleus enter so many Hall of Famers again?

KB: Well, interesting that you should ask this question in the middle of a death struggle for the future of the NBA. What the owners seem to be saying with their proposals is that they don't want super teams. They want parity. But super teams -- the Showtime Lakers, the Celtics' various dynasties, and now the Heat's Big Three -- have been so good for business, it's hard to imagine smart businessmen wouldn't want that. Would it really be had for basketball, and for business, if the Heat won three or four titles? Or if the Knicks got Chris Paul and won a couple themselves? Hardly. It would be astronomically good for business. But it's up to the owners and what they really want, and which owners ultimately will win this struggle. I maintain that we haven't even begun to hear from the moderates in big, successful markets who aren't so opposed to a system that at least imitates the status quo.

3. Here's a golden oldie. Are you of the opinion that there should be an NBA Hall of Fame, separate from the Naismith?

KB: This is a tough one, because I really do enjoy how the different levels of basketball are all intertwined. I think you lose something if you separate them. But there is a college Hall of Fame, and many players' and coaches' bodies of work in the NBA stand apart from whatever college canvas they may have painted. So yes, ultimately I think it would be better to separate the two. What could possibly be the harm?

4. Outside of No.3, what's the biggest thing you think should be changed about the Hall?

KB:I wouldn't want to see the voting become as political as it is for baseball, but more transparency in the voting would be nice. I want to know who's voting, and who got what percentage of the votes, and have a clear view of what the criteria are.

5. One lockout note: Big to-do's on Thursday about both sides saying the other wouldn't meet. Here's a question. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY DOING THAT THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY FIND TIME TO MEET? We're in a lockout! That's their only job right now, on either side!

KB: Welcome to the dance, Matt. It's still only August, so the slow waltz continues. And you have to admit, the so-called bargaining sessions we've witnessed for the past two months have been exercises in futility. Honestly, I can't imagine what the two sides spent four hours talking about the last time they met earlier this month. The owners still want what they want and aren't willing to compromise, and the players still reject it and feel that if they make major concessions, they'll be caving to the owners. So here we are, in lockout purgatory. What we need is some momentum, some event that creates leverage or urgency for either side. The calendar will take care of that naturally as we get into September and the owners have to grapple with the notion of canceling games. It also could happen on the legal front, with the next mile-marker being a decision from the NLRB on the players' unfair labor practices charge. The double whammy of a victory for the players with the NLRB, which could lead to an injunction lifting the lockout, combined with the sheer element of time would provide the urgency these proceedings currently are lacking. One final thought: I just hope that both sides aren't confident in the belief that they survived a lockout that shortened the season to 50 games in 1998-99, and thus are subconsciously aiming for the same outcome again. Because 50 games can become zero games faster than they think if they don't get moving.

You can follow Ken Berger on Twitter @kberg_cbs
Comments

Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: August 15, 2011 11:50 am
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

This was, as others have pointed out, a very interesting and deserving HoF class.   Rodman was one of the top 25 rebounders (total boards) in NBA history, and his average rebounds were in a class with people like Wes Unseld and Moses Malone (actually between these two men).  Rodman's teams won championships and he played an integral role without question.  He merits thehonor as much as anyone in this group! 



Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: August 14, 2011 3:53 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Russell averaged over 15 points a game in the regular season and over 16 in the playoffs. BTW my opinion of Rodman has nothing to do with Detroit. It has to do with the freak show.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: August 13, 2011 11:59 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Tim Duncan is boring ? 
He just makes it look easy.
I'm not even a fan of his, but I respect his game.
Slap someone else.  



Since: Aug 13, 2011
Posted on: August 13, 2011 11:00 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

"I guess Piston fans need something to get excited about." Typical Boston fan-- C's were absolute GARBAGE for 20 years until 2008- but I guess you have a short memory. Just in last last couple of years (with the help of fool Kevin Mcale) you've had some success while Pistons have been down.


Rodman was a HUGE part of 5 title teams-- he definitely deserves to be in the Hall. He wasn't a scorer, but he had a bigger impact with rebounds/D than half of the huge scorers in the league.  Was Russell a scorer?


If he had been a Celtic you'd be saying the opposite. Typical-- can you EVER GIVE AN athlete from another town his props? I despise Boston teams, but I respect them. Guess that's a foreign concept to you.    



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 13, 2011 10:57 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

I am a Celtic fan, just as you are a Piston fan. Other than Dumars and the Microwave, I couldn't stand the Pistons. That being said, I just don't think Rodman deserved to be in the hall. Too one dimensional, kinda like a DH in baseball.  Whatever, I guess Piston fans need something to get excited about.

Just had to respond because of your last line.  Don't be so cocky, the Pistons might have more to cheer for soon then the Celtics because the Celtics run is over.  They are old and in a couple years might be a really bad team.....  and oh yeah, I'm a pistons fan but I'm a basketball fan more then anything else.  I appreciate players that are worthy regardless of where they played.



Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: August 13, 2011 10:13 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

I am a Celtic fan, just as you are a Piston fan. Other than Dumars and the Microwave, I couldn't stand the Pistons. That being said, I just don't think Rodman deserved to be in the hall. Too one dimensional, kinda like a DH in baseball.  Whatever, I guess Piston fans need something to get excited about.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 13, 2011 9:34 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Patsdefender. I just realized something, you're a Celtics fan which disqualifies you from this conversation.  The only reason you're even in this conversation is because you are a Pistons hater and angry an ex Piston got into the hall.  I'm done talking to you or responding to your posts.  I didn't pay attention to your name earlier or I wouldn't have responded in the first place.  I'll talk to real NBA fans that like the game and not just their team.  Real fans that appreciate hard work and tremendous drive, determination and talent. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 13, 2011 9:29 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Rodman deserves to be in the "Showboat Hall of Fame". Not the NBA.

Unfortunately for you people with credentials you can only dream of having voted him into the NBA hall of fame.   In other words, you are wrong.  



Since: Apr 2, 2011
Posted on: August 13, 2011 5:13 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

You can add many more to your list of Russell and Wilt.  What other tall and physically gifted "star" could focus on nothing other than hitting the glass.  He could barely dribble the ball.  Had no low post moves and couldn't hit a jumpshot longer that 4 ft. out. 



Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: August 13, 2011 4:41 pm
 

Friday 5 with KB: Hall of Fame Edition

Two incidents off the top of my head was kicking a camera man and headbutting a ref. I said in my statement he was a great rebounder and defensive player and you basically made your point by saying the same thing all over again. You state he won titles, I said that too. I really don't care if he was 6'9", Barkley was 6"5" and he scored and rebounded. Imagine if Russell or Chamberlin said we are going to play "D" and rebound only. Rodman deserves to be in the "Showboat Hall of Fame". Not the NBA.


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