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LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:13 pm
 
Posted by Ben Golliver

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An eternal -- and eternally exhausting -- debate about who is better, Miami Heat All-Star forward LeBron James or Los Angeles Lakers All-Star guard Kobe Bryant, has been re-opened in the video game world.

This week, NBA 2K12 unveiled player rankings for James and Bryant in a post on the game's Facebook page. James is shown rating as a 98; Bryant is shown rating as a 94. In NBA 2K11, both James and Bryant rated 97 according to The Real 2K Insider. Chicago Bulls Hall of Fame guard Michael Jordan was ranked as high as 99 in NBA 2K11 and will re-appear in NBA 2K12.

It's understandable why, by video game measures, James has surpassed Bryant. James is 26 and entering his prime; Bryant is 33 and has exited his prime. James is a statistical monster, averaging 26.7 points, 7.5 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 1.6 steals and .6 blocks per game last season, better than Bryant in every category. He also played significantly more minutes per game, shot a much better field goal percentage and the Heat advanced two rounds past the Lakers in this year's playoffs. 

That won't matter to Bryant's diehards, though, who point to his five NBA titles and James' lackluster showing against the Dallas Mavericks in the 2011 NBA Finals. For comparison, our Eye On Basketball Elite 100 player rankings listed James as the unanimous No. 1 player in the NBA, with Bryant ranking No. 6. 

While James deserves to rank higher than Bryant, it's fair to ask whether Bryant was dropped too far in this year's rankings.  Bryant appeared in all 82 games last year despite a knee injury and his numbers in 2011-2012 -- 25.3 points, 5.1 rebounds, 4.7 assists -- were very similar to his numbers the previous season, despite the fact that he played four less minutes per game. His shooting percentages were virtually identical across the board. A video game rating drop from 97 to 94 is fairly steep; Bryant's real life statistics didn't reflect that type of slippage. 

If we presume that Jordan at his prime will rank 99 then it's also fair to question James' 98 ranking. There's still a noticeable gap between the two players; anyone trying to dispute that needs only to rewind the tape from NBA Finals Games 4, 5 and 6. It's not even close. In this non-expert's opinion, James deserved to remain at a 97, he took no major leaps forward in his game last season, and Bryant should have fallen no lower than 95.

Hat tips: PastaPadre.com and Examiner.com

Images via NBA 2K12 on Facebook.
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Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: September 19, 2011 5:01 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

Now, Now. After watching basketball for 50 years I have come to a different conclusion. I hope you will agree. It is not always the players that fail, it's the coaching. From now on check to see how long a great player messes up too many times and remains on the court. I have seen it in all the great important games. The coaches hopes that his superstar will wake up, but when you play a superstar most of the game, HE'S GOT TO RUN OUT OF STEAM. NO STEAM PRODUCES BRICKS EVEN IN MICHAEL JORDAN DAYS. The real reason games are won is because the little guys steps up after being ignored all game. They are the one's who learn to pace themselves and have the most steam at the end of the games. Remember, BASKETBALL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FIVE MAN GAME. The team that relies solely on their SUPERSTARS are the teams that ALWAYS come up short at the END. 

Let's face it. BASKETBALL AND ALL SPORTS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE. IT'S THE PLAYS BEHIND THE SCENE. I emailed the coach of the Oklahoma Thunder that if he played Westbrook in the final games that he would lose. And sure enough he played Westbrook and the team lost big time. They could have made it to the finals. But having the wrong team in the finals don't draw the BIGGEST CROWD.

GUEST WHO REALLY SPINS THE WHEELS IN ALL THE SPORTS. THE BIG TIME GAMBLERS WHO PAY TO WIN AND WHO PAY TO LOSE. THEY MAKE MONEY NO MATTER WHO WINS OR LOSES.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT IF A COACH PLAYS HIS BEST FIVE MAN TEAM NO MATTER THE SUPERSTAR SYNDROME HE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A JOB NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE STARTING FIVE ARE. YOU SEE, ITS NOT THE SUPERSTARS ON THE TEAM THAT WINS GAMES IT THE FIVE THAT PLAY TOGETHER AND USE EACH INDIVIDUAL SKILLS. EVERYONE ARE NOT GREAT REBOUNDERS ARE GREAT PASSERS OR THE BEST SHOOTERS. IF A GREAT PLAYERS DOESN'T GET THE BALL IN HIS SWEET SPOT HE IS GOING TO MISS MOST OF THE TIMES. EVERY PLAYER CAN'T SHOOT FROM EVERY SPOT ON THE FLOOR. EVERY PLAYER CAN'T REBOUND WELL.

COACHES AND OWNERS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEY, THE WIN WHETHER THE WIN OR LOSE. IT'S THE PLAYERS THAT SUFFER GOING FROM TEAM TO TEAM TRYING TO WIN. I HAVE WITNESSED GREAT PLAYER WARMING THE BEACH SEASON AFTER SEASON.

I HOPE FROM NOW ON WE CAN LOOK AT THE GAME A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THESE DAYS. LOOK AT THE OLD TEAMS AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN.

 



Since: Aug 19, 2011
Posted on: September 19, 2011 4:07 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

wow...that has to be the most blatant basketball ignorance ive come across...i dislike lebron as much the next guy, but cmon...wait a minute, you must be from cleveland, oh i get the bitter ex-girlfriend hate level now



Since: Aug 19, 2011
Posted on: September 19, 2011 4:02 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

when will haters learn to be ashamed of thier ignorance instead of flaunting it all over the internet



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: September 19, 2011 2:02 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

I guess in some computer game, Lebron is better than Kobe.

Just wondering does Lebron freeze up in this game like he does in real iive games in the clutch?


In the real world, Kobe is by far the best player in the game. Best competitior and obviously the best clutch player. Hence the 5 rings, and gold medal.

Lebron's chance at being an elite player is gone, after his humiliating finals performance where he disgraced himself beyond belief...


Good for Lebron he's still considered good in the computer world. In the real world he's a horrible choker.


Peace 
It's not a "computer" game.Does Pau Gasol get the same hate from you for tanking in the playoffs? Your man crush Kobe wasn't all that clutch this year either.

You sound like a bitter old man, like back in my day we played with a ball and a stick...it was good times. 


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Since: Dec 19, 2010
Posted on: September 18, 2011 5:25 pm
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Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: September 18, 2011 4:56 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

Not even a Lebron James fan, the man has an amazing skill set that isn't really matched by anyone in the world, with that said I don't like him because of his attitude and arrogance, but to say he sucks just means your in denial. Kobe Bryant is 33 years old,Lebron is 26 years old.For Kobe to be rated 94 at 33 is a good accomplishment,and Lebron as I have said skill set wise , is the best player in the NBA.Some years you will have guys underachieve other years guys will overachieve.The ratings are based on skills, not how many points a guy averaged during a particular season.

This guy below me seems to be an angry Celtics fan, I'd me mad to with the NBA lockout about to cancel out the season, "The Big Three" will cease to exist, there best days are behind them.As much as some of us don't want to see it, get used to seeing the "fundamentally terrible" "no talent" Lebron James for years to come when the playoffs roll around.



 Stop with all the Lebron talk.  He's not good, period.  He's big and knocks people down.  That's it.  Outside of dunking on breakaways, he has no talent.

He can't shoot 3's consistently.  He has zero intermediate game.  He doesn't setup his teammates for easy shots.  He doesn't drive and dish.  He's 6'9" and doesn't rebound.  He has no post up skills.  He couldn't even postup JJ Barea.  He never moves without the ball.  He stands out on the perimeter watching his teammates instead of getting into position to make a potential play.  He's fundamentally terrible.

He's not even close to the greats of the game.  Bird, Magic, Jordan did all of these things and did them extremely well.  Kobe does all these things well.

Stop talking about Lebron James.  He's a BUM.  Straight up.  Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Durant, Pierce, and many other players rank ahead of Lebron.   &a
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Since: Nov 23, 2007
Posted on: September 18, 2011 12:00 pm
 

LEBRON JAMES SUCKS

Stop with all the Lebron talk.  He's not good, period.  He's big and knocks people down.  That's it.  Outside of dunking on breakaways, he has no talent.

He can't shoot 3's consistently.  He has zero intermediate game.  He doesn't setup his teammates for easy shots.  He doesn't drive and dish.  He's 6'9" and doesn't rebound.  He has no post up skills.  He couldn't even postup JJ Barea.  He never moves without the ball.  He stands out on the perimeter watching his teammates instead of getting into position to make a potential play.  He's fundamentally terrible.

He's not even close to the greats of the game.  Bird, Magic, Jordan did all of these things and did them extremely well.  Kobe does all these things well.

Stop talking about Lebron James.  He's a BUM.  Straight up.  Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Durant, Pierce, and many other players rank ahead of Lebron.   &n
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Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: September 18, 2011 12:52 am
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

Kobe being clutch is a myth generated by the media and Kobe lovers. See http://espn.go.com/blog/tr
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op/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-

kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

As for his rings, well, one of them shouldn't have counted (refs rigged game six against the Kings in 2002), and Kobe has had much, much better teams than James.




Since: Nov 23, 2007
Posted on: September 17, 2011 7:05 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

Pretty accurate for 2K12(which I will be buying).  Kobe is only the best player in the last 5 minutes of a game, and the best closer.  James will rack up stats all game, while helping involve his teammates (and then runs out of gas in the 4th).  True Kobe has 5 rings.  Tim Duncan has 4 rings, is he a must have player over Kobe Bryant?  As long as Jordam is better than the both of them, I'm happy.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: September 17, 2011 6:48 pm
 

LeBron James tops Kobe Bryant in NBA 2K12 ranking

I thought the top 100 list was pretty bang on, LeBron #1 and Kobe #6. Kobe had his time, it's over now. He used to rack up big points by shooting obscene amounts of shots, now he's not getting as many and his FG% (which was always very, very average) is approx. the same. Kobe benefitted from the fact that he played for the Lakers and routinely had the highest payroll in the league. The one year they didn't, he couldn't even guide them to the play-offs. It's like comparing Big Ben to Dan Marino, can we look past rings for a second? LeBron will get his, the Heat will be right back in the Finals this year. I thought it was pretty impressive that they made it to the finals considering they were playing in a brand new system and still learning to play together. 


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