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Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

Posted on: September 29, 2011 1:54 pm
Edited on: September 29, 2011 1:55 pm
 
Posted by Royce Young



David Stern supposedly was in a very threatening, do-or-die type of mood after Wednesday's labor talks. Reportedly, he's laying the NBA season at the feet of the players telling them it's now or never. While the NBA refutes that, and indeed it does seem unlikely, the reality is there. Get a deal done now or the NBA regular season will be altered.

Which is why there's more of a sense of urgency now than there's ever been. Consider this quote from a team president talking to Yahoo! Sports:

"[Stern’s] going to make a real hard push to get a deal this weekend. If the union makes a slight move, David will move. But the players have to blink first.”

It's obvious that everyone understands what's at stake. Not just regular season games, but you're risking major momentum and therefore, major money by not getting a deal done. Fans aren't automatically going to just come sprinting back to a game where the players and owners are so greedy that they're willing to sacrafice games. Jeff Van Gundy made a great point to the Star-Ledger about that.

“Face it, whether you’re an NFL season-ticket holder and have to buy 10 games, it’s on weekends and Monday nights — it’s predictable, it doesn’t change your lifestyle,” he said. “Even the fans of the worst (NFL) teams don’t complain; they’re coming back, because it’s a weekly tradition.

“But the season-ticket holder in the NBA is different. People split the package. It’s a major time and financial commitment. I’m not trying to be gloom and doom here. It’s just that people don’t have the disposable income they used to have, and it’s not like they’re pining for NBA basketball. I just worry at some point — I know at some point — that some sport will go too far. It just will. Whatever that entails.”

The NBA's playing with fire and Friday has been set up to be the day it either gets burned or the flame is put out. Clearly the owners and league have to save face with the negotiations. It's a little bit of a game of chicken, waiting for one side to blink. But the owners are the ones who started this lockout. And if they come out of it with little to nothing, they'll have some serious egg on their face. Owners don't like that.

If the players will bend a little more this weekend, that could start everyone down a path towards a deal. The owners don't WANT to lose a season. The players definitely don't want to. But they want to get something out of this new collective bargaining agreement and if both sides can come out of Friday kind of feeling like they are, maybe we'll have something.

Maybe.
Category: NBA
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Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: September 30, 2011 9:15 am
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

If the National Brawlers Association folds and there's never professional basketball again, I could care less!!!




Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:49 am
 

NBA showdown

Most media have painted the players as good guys and the owners as bad guys. I get that. When do you think was the last time a team owner leaked some salacious detail about his team? But players do talk with media and are the source of much of their material. A conflict of interest for media members to pretend to be impartial.

The audited financial statements tell a different story. They provide the evidence to know that the league has hemorrhaged money the last six years under the old CBA. Consider $1.8B in losses. No business can survive such losses over such a period. Loans get called and underlying assets will have to be sold or else owners will have to keep inserting $300M per year into their teams. Not going to continue. The owners have tried to tell the players this was coming. Two years ago they began preparing them. What did they get in return? A proposal that takes the average player salary from $5M per year to $7M per year.

But the owners are the ones who started this lockout. And if they come out of it with little to nothing, they'll have some serious egg on their face. Owners don't like that.
Yes, the lockout was done by the owners. You didn't think the players were going to strike with these fat contracts did you? The lockout simply means that the owners are not going to continue to pay players without a new CBA. That is sound labor practice and sound business sense. The real problem here is not that the owners will have egg on their face but to somehow hide the numbers in the contract so that it will not be apparent that the players have caved in. In order for the owners to have an opportunity to obtain a return on investment of 4% (measly return) the players' percentage of BRI would be approximately 34%. This is the problem and the owners may lose less money by lockout than by playing under the old contract.



Since: Mar 6, 2010
Posted on: September 29, 2011 11:38 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

we got football now we don't need the national babies association underwhelming over priced product.  who watches nba basketball before feb anyhow?



Since: Sep 7, 2009
Posted on: September 29, 2011 9:51 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

THE LOSS OF PART OR AN ENTIRE NBA SEASON ... WHO F... IN CARES UNLESS U LIVE IN BOSTON , MIAMI OR LOS ANGLES !!! 




Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: September 29, 2011 9:04 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

I enjoy this train wreck.  All the testosterone fueled posturing means nothing unless these folks really hold true to their principles.  I think neither side possesses the courage (and stones) to punt the season.  Both sides are playing chicken as described in the story and one side is going to cave.  While I hope and pray that both sides to cancel the season, it won't happen.
As for those people who are in "support" of the N.B.A., they must be paid shills who troll these threads to make it look like we want their corrupt product and fixed games.  They also could be NBA players with idle time on their hands.  The players aren't doing anything as there are no training camps open and they have no scratch to spend.  They can play so much Madden football, NBA 2011 and Guitar Hero before they get bored to tears.  So they come to sports websites, read the threads and bash us with their name calling because most of us couldn't care any less about the N.B.A.

I don't buy any of those shills thoughts.  To wit:  "Fans aren't automatically going to just come sprinting back to a game where the players and owners are so greedy that they're willing to sacrifice games."

Jeff Van Gundy is right on target: "It’s a major time and financial commitment. I’m not trying to be gloom and doom here. It’s just that people don’t have the disposable income they used to have, and it’s not like they’re pining for NBA basketball."





Since: Aug 24, 2010
Posted on: September 29, 2011 8:58 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

A couple comments:
BLACKRAIN-  Do you know what communism is?  It's very bad, just like your suggestion!

Well fans, tell me how do you feel about NBA basketball compared to 10 or 20 years ago?
Does anyone feel things are getting better?
Does anyone feel things are getting worse?
Do you feel like pro basketball is now involved in a train wreck?
Do you feel more or less excited about the 2011 NBA season than in years past?
Do you think all this should have been done with by the player and owners months ago?
Do you think these people involved should be using the fans, media, and public forums to air their opinions?
Do you feel the officials are more or less corrupt in general?
Do you feel the owner and players are out of touch with the general feelings of the fans?

WELL WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THESE MANY NEGATIVE FEELING?

As a Dodger season ticket holder for over 25 years, I have not gone to one game in 2 years!
I just refuse to support these kinds of immoral behaviors!!!
The Dodgers drew 3.7 million fans in 2010, and only 2.9 million fans in 2011
DON'T SPEAK WITH YOU KEYBOARDS, SPEAK WITH YOUR WALLETS!
HEAVYHITTER!!! 



Since: Jul 31, 2008
Posted on: September 29, 2011 8:03 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

Hilarious!  Stern playing the standard propoganda campaign against the players - trying to make them out to be the bad guys in the court of public opinion. Sooooo predictable.  Don't buy his nonsense. Stern is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the owners - always has been, always will be.  The NAB is a joke, and you can point the finger right at Stern himself.  The NBA became great by sheer luck in the 80's and 90's when JOrdan, Magic, Bird, etc lifted it up - and Stern rode their coat tails.  Now after a recession and a lockout and the whole league claims to be losing money.  LOL.  It's WWE.  NBA died to me when the Sonics left Seattle because Stern was busy throwing a fit at the city of Seattle because they refused to build another palace at the taxpayers expense while the NBA owners reap all the rewards and the city assumes all the risk.  It's a new day stern - step aside already.  You're a dinosaur - a Uselessasauraus. 



Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: September 29, 2011 7:02 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

I hope a deal is done, I don't care how, I just want to watch some basketball this winter. Anybody who doesn't care just needs to stfu and get out of the NBA message boards. Go enjoy your hockey instead for all I care, that sport was nearly flushed down the toilet several years ago in the USA.



Since: Feb 1, 2007
Posted on: September 29, 2011 6:47 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

The NBA players are fools who will give into the paycuts being requested. Many of the players are just too frivilous with their money and now when outrageous checks arent coming in they will be desperate to do anything.  I hope neither side budges and the strike last into next year. 



Since: Jan 24, 2011
Posted on: September 29, 2011 6:42 pm
 

Stern pushing for a deal this weekend?

CANCEL THE SEASON ....... these guys don't have a clue ( the playa's ) ..... i'm mean seriously.  

Van Gundy is correct....

def. Avg Joe = Ticket purchaser = home cable viewer (local or national )

NFL is a family tradition ...based on schedule and timing of year ...and obviously general public feels its a fair product on field ( hard salary cap for all teams ) based on high numbers of people in paying fantasy football leagues... way more than NBA...

MLB is in the summer ... advantage here is the the average Joe everywhere played baseball/stickball/softball/kickbal

l at a good period in their life and know the game...its america's past time... People who have all the money in the world like it Far east...hmmm it ain't goin no where

NBA- Knuckleheads- I'm mean seriously - 1. most avg. Joe's never Slam dunked b4..2. Avg Joe- really likes the cheerleaders on sidelines
there is no respect for the players ...LBJ/JayZ=#14on Carter4, Kobe=niceguy/adulterer for example ... have you tried to stomach an episode of "Basketball wives" that's who they sleep with..and assosicate with.  And act like in public with camera's on .... how are they behind closed doors...I'm just saying.

with limited disposable  income for the avg. family in USA, there isn't enough money to support all the teams and keep same paystucture

a hard CAP will bring fans back ... not just in big markets and would make the teams have more power ... right now the STAR are runnnng this ZOO.... thats obviously not profitable

it kills me that the players are that arrogant that they are only worried about themselves, half of them won't even be playing in 3-5 years anyway ..



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