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Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:10 am
Posted by Royce Young

The league and players wrapped a five-plus hour meeting in New York Sunday in a last-ditch effort to save the start of the NBA regular season. How'd it go?

No comment. Evidently.

The biggest hangup between the two sides is current the Basketball Related Income split. The players have said they're firm at 53 percent while the owners are pushing for a 50-50 split. A good number of players are in Los Angeles playing in the Goodman-Drew rematch and spoke with a few and guess what they talked about. James Harden, and his beard, basically put it this way: It's 53 percent or nothing.
Harden falls squarely into the first camp. Prior to the game, the Thunder guard said he wouldn't rubber stamp a proposal, even if he received a personal call from union president Derek Fisher.

"I'd want to know what the deal is," Harden said. "Derek is someone you definitely listen to, but I'd also want to talk with the big guys -- LeBron, KD, and the rest."

Asked if he could see any scenario where a 50-50 split in basketball-related income (BRI) would be acceptable, Harden shook his head.

What's your drop-dead number?

"Fifty-three," Harden insisted. "No less."
Will it be 53? Who knows. We'll find out more by Monday after the players and league wrap another meeting. You'd have to think the players would be willing to come off that number to a degree in order to get a deal.

And like Harden conceded, he's not exactly involved all that heavily in the talks. He admitted that he'd defer to the bigger names involved like LeBron, Kevin Durant and others.

Harden's sentiment is sort of the battle Fisher and Billy Hunter are battling right now though. They desperately want to make a deal, but they can't feel like they've let down players like Harden. Those that are trenched into their position and are convinced that wavering is a bad thing wouldn't be happy with a 50-50 compromise out of nowhere. So Fisher has to please his base while at the same time getting a deal that works.

Such is a nasty negotiation like this.
Category: NBA

Since: Sep 30, 2011
Posted on: October 14, 2011 2:15 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Okay, so there is a fued over money, what else is new........

Players "we are the product we deserve more".......Owner's "we incur the risk, we lose money, we deserve more".  Okay, maybe you are both right to some degree.

Most people view 50/50 as being as fair as possible, but how do you really factor BRI?  What about luxury suites that are owned by companies not for basketball, but all event (hockey, concerts, boxing, etc).........who decides how to apportion that?  If the two sides are so far apart on general terms, imagine the fight that comes with that.........

I wish there was a way to change the overall mindset of players in all sports (not every player).  When you come from nothing and suddenly have millions of dollars, one may be inclined to make bad too much house, too many cars too many material things in an effort to make up for what you feel you are entitled too now.  You may feel obligated to now give money to family and friends because you have's an idea, get smart with your money and get your priorties straight.

I cannot hear one more athlete say "I need to take care of my family".........I live in CA, if someone gave me $15 million dollars and I kept roughly $7.8 after taxes I could take care of my family for the rest of my life; so please do not use the argument that as an athlete you have a limited time in the market to make your money.  We all have a limited time in the market........the difference is the athlete that has no other skills has to rely on the money they made to last forever; the average american will work until age 70 just to survive.  The arguement about a limited time with an earning capacity is a joke.  Stop spending the money like it is coming in forever, you already know it is not.  If you cannot do that, shame on you........perhaps figure out how to do it.

It is like the federal bailout of banks...........banks could not figure out how to be responsible, they were bailed out.  Athlete's cannot manage their finances, let's bail them out by giving them more money.  Did we learn nothing?  Why throw good money after bad?

Since: Nov 25, 2006
Posted on: October 13, 2011 10:53 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

First of all, if I hear another player or fan say that this is modern day slavery, I'm going to freakin go nuts. That is a slap in the face of actual slaves. I was mostly on the side of the players in the NFL lockout because the NFL has made more money than the NBA. I understand that the players are the product fans come to see in pro sports, but there is a line. I read an article today that said with 100 games already cancelled, the owners will lose $87 million, with the loss in players salaries will be $350 million. Is that not telling right there? When players salaries are more than the revenue brought in, the owners are losing money. The owners will stand firm because most of them weren't making money to begin with so sitting it out won't hurt them. The popularity of the NBA has declined in recent years for whatever reasons so the revenue has gone with it. I even heard Charles Barkley admit that the players have been getting too big of a share recently and that would have to change. That is coming from a former player not an owner.

Since: Feb 9, 2008
Posted on: October 13, 2011 4:11 am

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

"You work for me. It is the American way." You must be joking. So you think that totalitarianism is the American way, or that slavery, or fuedalism, or indentured servatude, or any other such form of oppressive system is just because it is regarding the workplace? So all American forms of ideals and civil liberties and rights cease to exist for the working class and belong only to the members of management just because it is concerning a place of employment? So I suppose that you would consider it fair if your boss told you that you were fired unless you committed some gross act of deviance since he is the boss and has absolute power over you?   

Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:18 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Ultimately, we the fans can have the last word in this saga. My family has always enjoyed watching basketball and going to the games, so I would consider myself partly responsible for the way things have gotten out of hand with the owners and players. After watching how all of the parties concerned have conducted themselves, over a few percentage points and other concessions, while regular people lose their jobs and homes daily, I will no longer support professional basketball or their enterprises. 

Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 3:27 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

People commenting about the players wanting more money and they are greedy dont understand or dont want to understand that the players have actually agreed to take a paycut.  The owners however have honestly given nothing.  They have given up on a hard cap, there already wasnt one.  They have given up on non-guaranteed contracts, those already didnt exist.  The owners have already won when the players went from 57% to 53%.  Your boss comes into your office and says I need you to take a 10-15% paycut and you agree to take a 4-5% paycut you still took a cut in pay and gave your boss money back.  It has now literally turned into a PR war with the common fan following the owner but take the time to look into the actual situation and you can see the owners really havent made a concession at all. 

Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: October 12, 2011 1:15 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Nothing funnier than multi-millionaires fighting over a few bucks.

Meanwhile, I can't even afford season tickets in the nosebleeds. I have to spend my money on trivial things, like making sure my children have food and diapers.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: October 12, 2011 1:00 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

What a bunch of clowns these players are. Who wouldn't go 50/50 with that insane amount of money involved? Did they not watch what went on with the NFL? Where adults, who most of actually graduated college, managed to hammer out an agreement. These idiots don't get the concept that they are actually employees. And finally, they're too blind to see the owners holding the ultimate trump card. The NFL. Most people will being watching them & not giving a sh1t about hoops if it gets canceled. Sure the owners will lose money, but whose more equipped to last this out AND stay off the police blotter.  

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 12:42 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

LOL the players do not think that 50 split is fair? Wow I guess they were never taught to share. I feel bad for the players that truly do play for the game not money, I know there are a few of them that do, keyword "FEW"

Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: October 12, 2011 11:52 am

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

The players will wish they took the deal when there is no season.And fans hate it like they did baseball.The owners should not even give up 50% .If it was not for them and comming up with the money and the team and league there would not be basketball at this level .It is an honor to play in any major sport and get paid the outragous money they make . Most people in the real world of none sports 90% could not do what the NBA is doing and take a huge profit from the owners when they themselfs already make a bundle of coin.I for one hope the owners don't give in to thug like tactics. Then cancle the season and then lower the 50-50 to 45-55.I know they would tend to lose a lot of money .But they would not give up the power what is thiers.They own the club. You work for me. It is the American way. I vote for no season Let the pro's pay the rookies for not playing and being stupid and GREEDY!!

Since: Oct 11, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 11:08 am

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

i agree the players are the draw but fans follow teams,they become life long fans of that team,and support that team,so today i follow kobe and the rest of the lakers when in years past it was west,baylor,wilt and even sedale threat.

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