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Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:10 am
Posted by Royce Young

The league and players wrapped a five-plus hour meeting in New York Sunday in a last-ditch effort to save the start of the NBA regular season. How'd it go?

No comment. Evidently.

The biggest hangup between the two sides is current the Basketball Related Income split. The players have said they're firm at 53 percent while the owners are pushing for a 50-50 split. A good number of players are in Los Angeles playing in the Goodman-Drew rematch and spoke with a few and guess what they talked about. James Harden, and his beard, basically put it this way: It's 53 percent or nothing.
Harden falls squarely into the first camp. Prior to the game, the Thunder guard said he wouldn't rubber stamp a proposal, even if he received a personal call from union president Derek Fisher.

"I'd want to know what the deal is," Harden said. "Derek is someone you definitely listen to, but I'd also want to talk with the big guys -- LeBron, KD, and the rest."

Asked if he could see any scenario where a 50-50 split in basketball-related income (BRI) would be acceptable, Harden shook his head.

What's your drop-dead number?

"Fifty-three," Harden insisted. "No less."
Will it be 53? Who knows. We'll find out more by Monday after the players and league wrap another meeting. You'd have to think the players would be willing to come off that number to a degree in order to get a deal.

And like Harden conceded, he's not exactly involved all that heavily in the talks. He admitted that he'd defer to the bigger names involved like LeBron, Kevin Durant and others.

Harden's sentiment is sort of the battle Fisher and Billy Hunter are battling right now though. They desperately want to make a deal, but they can't feel like they've let down players like Harden. Those that are trenched into their position and are convinced that wavering is a bad thing wouldn't be happy with a 50-50 compromise out of nowhere. So Fisher has to please his base while at the same time getting a deal that works.

Such is a nasty negotiation like this.
Category: NBA

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:26 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Drop dead at 53% ? How about ZERO ?

Fisher and Hunter, can't feel like they've let down players like Harden ??

These guys need a dose of reality.

These guys are asking for more money than the market will bear...the NBA lost $300 million last year. How long do they think they'll draw a paycheck if the league goes bankrupt ? I'm not sure they DO think, or even have the tools TO think.

The players Union isn't fighting for the right to work, or minimum wage, or mineworkers pensions or black lung benefits...they make an average of $5 million a year...guaranteed money, no risk, and not much responsibility... Every player, is a lottery winner every year, that didn't even have to buy the ticket, folks....and they're saying their deal isn't fair enough.  

Most NBA players have less than a passing college entrance exam level education. Players are constant malcontents that are always in the public eye for crimes and/or general irresponsble behavior. They always want more money, don't hustle much, and don't appear to appreciate their elitely entitled existance and the fans and OWNERS that make all that possible.  

Most of the players just don't care if the NBA goes bankrupt, as long as they get theirs now.

The NBA owners need to take this opportunity to fix the problems they created by allowing players too much control in the first place. The NBA needs to create a new working agreement, that clearly defines salary limitations based on what is profitable for the NBA, not what players think they're worth. Institute a hard cap, or reduce the max contract to a FRACTION of what it is now...It's a free country- let players retire, or go to Europe...or back to Medical School...or to work as a bouncer in the strip club they just shot up...wherever their skills will take them, and SEE if they can do better. The facts are, they can't.

Owners don't have to give players any more than a paycheck...and it's already damned large one. They don't even have to give it to the current players... They can open camps, restructure, pay out existing contracts and suspend indefinately players that don't report.

There is a basketball player on every inch of asphalt from coast to coast that would love to take Kobe and LeBron's roster spot for $5 mil a year. Most current players would abandon the ridiculous demands of the NBPA to do so, if they knew they weren't going to ever go back if they didn't... They'll probably even be humble and say thank you, and they'll start tomorrow.  The NBA could spend a little ad money appologizing and expalining to fans what is really going on...Endorsements would shrink, or disappear by doing so. If the NBA suspended or banned players, the European teams wouldn't have salary competiton anymore, and contract offers will drop like a rock. Europe would quota American players in favor of their own locals, reducing opportunites even more. 

The Players are effectively trying to commit an armed robbery of the NBA by putting a gun to their OWN head, and I think, it's time owners tell them to go ahead and shoot.   

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:17 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

When is the players funerals, because I do not see the owners changing their offer.  NBA basketball is a dead sport.

Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: October 11, 2011 12:41 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Eddie there is nothing lacking in my knowledge of economics I assure you, so let me add to your example. A car is no different than any other business and more than half of the price of the car does go to employees. The flaw is that the salesman or owner of a dealership are the ones entitles to that 50%. in fact that 50+% is split among the possible dozens of employees that order, receive, install, manufacture, etc, that automobile. The owner of the dealership is not the company, and the salesman is just another employee, albeit probably the highest compensated per vehicle. GM for example does have more than 50% in salary, benefit, and commission tied up in that car.

For any employee that is taking 0 risk in a business to think he or shee is worth that much of profits is rediculous. Here is an idea. Instead of getting salaries, lets have the players buy stock in the franchise and then get paid or not paid based on the profitability of that franchise. I they do that, then they take risk along with the MAJORITY OWNER and would have a vested interest in the final product if even just to pad their own bank accounts. That is economics.

Since: Oct 14, 2010
Posted on: October 11, 2011 12:10 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Would someone offer me the big picture of the old contract or lay out the main points of what is being debated now?
It sounds like:
1. The players want a huge salary with lots of guarantees so they never have to work beyond their few years of basketball.
2. The players want more BRI than the owners.  What is that Basketball Related Income?
3. The players don't want to share their own shoe contracts with the owners.
4. The players don't want to share any of their outside income with the owners.
Is that right?  Someone help this basketball fan understand the gist of the contract argument.

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: October 11, 2011 10:48 am

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Bring on the scabs!!!!!!!!

Since: Oct 13, 2010
Posted on: October 10, 2011 11:36 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Your understanding of economics is lacking.  Employees recieve in the 50 percent range of gross revenue in most coorporations.  Granted most billion dollar dollar coorperations employ 1000's of more employees than the nba does, but the revenue structure is similar.  The fact that a car salesmen doesn't recieve 50 percent of the value of the car is irrelevant, because the owner of the dealership doesn't recieve 50 percent the car's value either.  I believe that the dealership makes somewhere around 10 percent of the car's value on each sale, and that money goes towards supporting the dealerships ability to survive.  The salesmen makes a small profit on each sale and so does the owner.  Obviously the owner makes more money in general because he or she makes  profit on each car sold, but in total the employees split around fifty percent of the total profits and the owner keeps fifty percent to themselves.  The revenue structure in the NBA is by no means a radical system. 

Since: Nov 25, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 8:20 pm

Harden the F|_|CK up.

NBA players, you are the employees.  The owners are your bosses.  Once you see that, you will wake up and be grateful for what you get.  You want 53% of the revenue you help bring in?  Ok, so the average American is a chump, huh?  In sales, why doesn't the salesman get 53% of the money earned by the product he sells?  Should a car salesman get 53% of the $25,000 car he sells?  Pffttt, if that were the case, everyone would be selling cars.  He's lucky to get $1,000 out of that deal.  Yes, I understand it is not the same thing because the players are essentially the product and the employee, but I just don't see the big deal in 3%.  It seems like they should want to do anything to please the fans.  If something I did made people happy, if something I did helped someone escape the everyday rigors of their average life, if something I did made some kid gasp in awe, I guess I would make a few sacrifices to make sure those folks got to see me do it. I guess I am just an ignorant, lower-class American who just wants to watch some damn basketball. 

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 6:26 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

I suspect Harden and others don't even know what the difference will be to their income if it is 53% or 50% or 51.5%. It will not make or break any individual player but this type of thing takes on a life of its own. Players/ owners see themselves as winners/ losers based on a number.

Regardless, players will still be rich, owners will still be billionaires. But what might happen is just enough regular folk get fed up enough that the total pot they are fighting over shrinks by 10 or 20%.

So hold out and get your 53% of 3.6 billion (1.908 billion) instead of 50% of 4.4 billion (2.2 billion). The lot of you should have taken a bit more math in school and actually studied. You might see now that you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

We fans need to remember this and make the lot of them pay for their greed and selfishness. Buy fewer tickets, buy less "stuff". They don't deserve our business. Once this is over, find some great NCAA ball and support that team.

Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 4:28 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

If both sides take 51.5%, that's 103%.   

And if both sides take 57 percent that is 114 percent. Your math is good.

Since: Oct 10, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2011 3:26 pm

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

If both sides take 51.5%, that's 103%.  

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