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Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:10 am
 
Posted by Royce Young

The league and players wrapped a five-plus hour meeting in New York Sunday in a last-ditch effort to save the start of the NBA regular season. How'd it go?

No comment. Evidently.

The biggest hangup between the two sides is current the Basketball Related Income split. The players have said they're firm at 53 percent while the owners are pushing for a 50-50 split. A good number of players are in Los Angeles playing in the Goodman-Drew rematch and ESPN.com spoke with a few and guess what they talked about. James Harden, and his beard, basically put it this way: It's 53 percent or nothing.
Harden falls squarely into the first camp. Prior to the game, the Thunder guard said he wouldn't rubber stamp a proposal, even if he received a personal call from union president Derek Fisher.

"I'd want to know what the deal is," Harden said. "Derek is someone you definitely listen to, but I'd also want to talk with the big guys -- LeBron, KD, and the rest."

Asked if he could see any scenario where a 50-50 split in basketball-related income (BRI) would be acceptable, Harden shook his head.

What's your drop-dead number?

"Fifty-three," Harden insisted. "No less."
Will it be 53? Who knows. We'll find out more by Monday after the players and league wrap another meeting. You'd have to think the players would be willing to come off that number to a degree in order to get a deal.

And like Harden conceded, he's not exactly involved all that heavily in the talks. He admitted that he'd defer to the bigger names involved like LeBron, Kevin Durant and others.

Harden's sentiment is sort of the battle Fisher and Billy Hunter are battling right now though. They desperately want to make a deal, but they can't feel like they've let down players like Harden. Those that are trenched into their position and are convinced that wavering is a bad thing wouldn't be happy with a 50-50 compromise out of nowhere. So Fisher has to please his base while at the same time getting a deal that works.

Such is a nasty negotiation like this.
Category: NBA
Comments

Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 3:17 pm
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Even if the players are willing to go to 52%, the owners would be fools not to sign off right away. My guess is that stupidity will prevail, and at least half of the NBA season will be cancelled, and that my friends is going to cost everyone involved A LOT more than 3%.
I don't think the owners give in here...I would not.  I read the difference between 50% and 53% is $120million/yer -- the players salary are approx $82million/week league total.  The players miss 10 days and they have "spent" the extra $120million they are fighting for.  If you run the numbers on a 6 year deal, the different works out to $796million give or take -- the players lose that in salary by sometime in January.  The players need to take the 50%, with no changes in cap structure, etc, they can still call this a win and move on, but if the lockout drags through the first of the year, even if they get the 53%, they have already lost that money.

And I know the owners will lose money to if games are missed, but they, or at least most of them, are already losing money.  This way, they lose the revenue, but they also save the $82million/week in player salaries, as well as many other expenses (stadium workers, utilities are lower, etc.)  Many of the the owners will actually lose less money by not playing than by playing under the old system (or at 53%/47% split proposed by the players) so they have less reason to move from 50/50 than the players (not to mention the 30 some owners can likely afford to lose their basketball income a lot easier than most of the NBA players -- who misses, say $20million, most -- billionare Mark Cuban or Paul Allen or, say, Shannon Brown or Adam Morrison, or James Harden or any other average NBA player (i.e. other than your Kobes or Lebrons, that kind of player)?




Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: October 10, 2011 3:07 pm
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

The players should get the larger piece of the BRI its their talents the the owners are exploiting to make all the income. Without the players that people would pay to see there wouldn't any money to split
B/S -- Players come and players go (Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Jordan, etc give way to Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo, etc) and the NBA goes on, without missing a beat...in fact, revenues continue to rise.  Get rid of every player today, replace them with next years college draft and hungry free agents and, at most, you'll see a temporary slip in revenue numbers but NBA basketball fans will go right back to watching their team play.  The owners are not exploiting anything or anyone, any more than any other owner of any business is "exploiting" his employees in trying to make a profit rather than lose money.  It is the owners who risk hundreds of millions of dollars in purchasing their teams, paying for arenas, coachs, trainers, team travel, advertising, insurance and PLAYERS' GUARANTEED CONTRACTS.  If the NBA goes away, the players go get jobs but they don't lose anything.  The NBA dies the owners still owe the guaranteed contracts and have huge financial committments for other salaries and stadium rent/purchase obligations etc.  It is the owners who take the risk so why should they not get AT LEAST half of the revenue?  Keep in mind the players are not asking for 53% of the profits (i.e. they only get paid if they generate more revenue than expenses) but 53% of the gross revenue --without sharing in the other expenses mentioned above. 



Since: Oct 10, 2011
Posted on: October 10, 2011 2:36 pm
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

Players get 53%

Owners get 50%

Half the government subsidize the extra 3%

Problem solved



Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 1:52 pm
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

The players should get the larger piece of the BRI its their talents the the owners are exploiting to make all the income. Without the players that people would pay to see there wouldn't any money to split.



Since: May 8, 2007
Posted on: October 10, 2011 12:05 pm
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

I realize it's not just as simple as a split, but based on what I've been reading, wouldn't it make more sense if both sides took 51.5% and called it a day? I know that would mean that there was no winner in the pissing match... but come on fellas! You all know how much money will be lost by cancelling even a few weeks of a season. I know this is more about setting a precedent for the future, but there has to be some wiggle room. Even if the players are willing to go to 52%, the owners would be fools not to sign off right away. My guess is that stupidity will prevail, and at least half of the NBA season will be cancelled, and that my friends is going to cost everyone involved A LOT more than 3%.



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 10:53 am
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

I get your message BUT surely you are wrong about NBA revenues peaking in the 2000's. I was led to believe that revenues and attendance had risen again last year and for at least the last 5. The players get a fixed percentage of this so therefore the owners (as a whole unit) made more money toothat the major market teams don't share with the mid and lower markets surely isn't a player issue but an owner issue and the value of a franchise shouldn't come into the players consideration. The NFL model of sharing is looking to be brilliant still.



Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: October 10, 2011 3:12 am
 

Harden says his drop-dead number is 53 percent

The bottom line is if the Owners agree to 53 they should never have even striked over the amount. The players are trying to protect their interest based on a commodity that was rising in value in the mid 2000s. Now the teams have not only peaked but in some instances are not worth as much as they were even 5 years ago. Thus if the owners are not going to share in local revenue then the only recourse for mid market sized teams to make any money would be 50-50 as a minimum. This strike again has nothing to do with the mega markets but the health of the mid markets should be taken serious if the teams are going to be worth something more than future speculation.


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