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EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

Posted on: October 15, 2011 12:00 am
 


By Matt Moore


Matt Moore:So who, individually is winning and losing the lockout? My brief list. 
Winners: David West, Greg Oden (rehab). Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash (age). Kevin Love, Dwyane Wade (image). 
Losers: Rookies (obv.). DeAndre Jordan ($$$$$). 
Royce Young: Derek Fisher. I think he's increased his image as the statesman of the NBA. I don't know how good a job he's really doing, but he always comes across as measured, professional and calm. The guy's in the twilight of his NBA career, but his performance as president of the union is going to net him a pretty sweet gig after he retires, I think. Front office exec? Coach? The next Billy Hunter? I could see basically anything for Fisher. 

Ben Golliver: I hate to say it but I think LeBron James and Dwyane Wade are big winners here. No one entered the offseason with more motivation to bring their A-game to the 2011-2012 season after that jenga collapse in the Finals. As the lockout dragged on, the usual motivating factors for the average player disappeared. Watching these guys workout, play in exhibition games, etc. it's clear they will be ready to go from day one. They will blitz some people hard out of the gate and should stack up enough victories early to get the rest they wanted before last year's playoffs. Same thing, to a lesser extent, goes for Kevin Durant, who has just been a maniac.

Of the younger guys, I like what John Wall and Brandon Jennings did to increase their exposure. Whether that counts for anything long-term is anyone's guess. Both elevated their profile for sure. I still like what Deron Williams and Ty Lawson did, accepting the challenge of a different lifestyle and continuing to play in competitive leagues. Williams took a significantly bigger risk, but as long as he comes home without injury he will be a winner in my eyes. Zigging when everyone zags deserves some kudos. Props to Kyrie Irving and Isaiah Thomas and the other rookies that went back to school. We get on people for jumping too early but never give the round of applause for guys who get back on the diploma track.

They are bigger picture winners.

Eddy Curry is the biggest loser of the lockout and, really, of life. Scratching from exhibition games is really the bottom of the barrel. Same thing goes for Michael Beasley and Matt Barnes and their idiotic antics. Nobody needs any of that. Beasley caught a break when Rick Adelman got hired. He is about to get a great coach. Let's see if he embraces or squelches this opportunity. Take a guess at which is more likely. 
Matt Moore: I'd argue Deron's a loser. He made the money but admitted it's been hard on the family and they're not winning and the attendance is terrible. As the biggest star to go he was under pressure to convert that opportunity into success. Making the money, which is always dicey overseas, doesn't make up for the other problems and the lack of impact. 

Ben Golliver: If it was that bad he would have left. He's said its brought his family closer together and has been a one-in-a-lifetime experience. I think we can take him at his word about that.

Royce Young:I definitely agree with that, Matt. Deron messed up, in my mind. The Besiktas deal really didn't turn out to be all that lucrative and instead of pimping his profile here in the charity pro-am games, he's toiling away in Turkey in front of half empty arenas. What's so great about that?  If it was just intended to be a family vacation, good for him, but I don't know why you can't just go to Turkey. Why sign to play for Besiktas? He got less than other superstars because he signed so early and I don't think he's really gained a whole lot out of it otherwise. 

Matt Moore: Also, if we're talking bigger picture winners, no player is a winner because they lost a bazillion dollars between negotiations and lost paychecks.

Ben Golliver: Name one player who made more money playing basketball during the lockout than Deron Williams.

Royce Young: I don't think that's the point though. He didn't make all that much in relative terms, plus hasn't benefitted as much as some other players that stayed here. Williams is a star player. And he's the only star that signed overseas. Don't you think that's a little weird? 

Ben Golliver: Not at all. He was in a unique situation with his contract extension coming up, with an open mind, a desire to see the world and make money, and a team that would give him a max contract even if he broke both his legs because they already mortgaged the franchise for him. Why single someone out for criticism because he made a unique choice that will prove to be in his best interests as long as he doesn't get hurt (and could still be in his best interests even if he does)? This was a great way to get back in shape after an injury, it took guts, he's getting rewarded and he is living life on his own terms, not those of the NBA owners. He's not begging fans to let him play on Twitter, he proactively sought a deal that will pay him more than any other player during the down time and will be ready to go when the NBA is back. It wasn't a decision many stars could make but there were good reasons behind it and he showed courage. That makes him a winner to me. 
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Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: October 17, 2011 8:40 pm
 

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yea ur not racist


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Since: Oct 14, 2010
Posted on: October 17, 2011 6:27 pm
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

I can't agree less about Fisher.  You guys must be swayed by his snappy suit and Windsor knot.  Derek is a stooge and is going to be stuck as the guy who acted FOR the players during a time when the players lost a ton of cash.  All together now, let's say it:  "twilight of his career."



Since: Oct 7, 2011
Posted on: October 17, 2011 5:12 pm
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

The losers here are all the athletes that lose a year of their competitive lives. Some of the vets on the fence about retirement will be a year older and slower, the guys in their prime, the rookies waiting for a contract, all the players lose when talking about a lockout.



Since: Feb 2, 2008
Posted on: October 17, 2011 4:55 pm
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

um - in 2006-2007 - the Jazz led by Deron Williams - made the Western Conference finals - which is the 3rd round of the playoffs.

I will give you Steve Nash as a better point guard then Deron - but Tony Parker and Chris Paul? You have got to be kidding me. Chris Paul is talented but has not made it past the second round of the playoffs despite being surrounded my more talent than Williams.

As far as Parker is concerned - he is the third best player on his team and had you given Parker the Jazz teams that Deron had and Deron the Spurs teams Parker was on - Deron would have as much jewlery as Parker.

 




Since: Dec 16, 2008
Posted on: October 17, 2011 3:15 pm
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

Wait a second Deron Willaims is a star? You've got to be kidding me. Tony Parker, Steve Nash, and Chris Paul were far superior point guards while Deron played in the Western Conference for the Jazz, who never made it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs while he was there.

Does'nt he play for some semi-pro team now in the NBA? the Nets? What a joke.

No wonder his team in Turkey is'nt winning and their fans arnt showing up to the games. What in the name of god were those Turks thinkng!?



Since: Sep 13, 2008
Posted on: October 17, 2011 11:06 am
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers



HORRAY Harwich82. You hit the nail right on the head.  Also GO BRUINS!!!! 



Since: Sep 13, 2008
Posted on: October 17, 2011 11:04 am
 

EOB Roundtable: Lockout Winners and Losers

 

 

THE FANS ARE THE LOSERS HERE....Play Ball you bunch of Premadonnas!!!



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