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Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

Posted on: October 15, 2011 3:26 pm
 
By Matt Moore

Imagine there's a U.N. debate. It's a discussion on global economics, centered around a few key and pivotal points, and a compromise must be reached in some form. The ramifications of this meeting are monumental dependent on the outcome (I know, it's the U.N., use your imagination). Both sides began on polar opposite sides of the issues. But as things have gone on, there have been more and more concessions from both sides, though clearly one side is expressing its overwhelming leverage from a position of strength, arguably to an excessive degree. 

To close this deal, with so much on the line, do you send in your experienced diplomat, the man who has the know-how and demeanor to establish guidelines, work to squirrel away as much as can be reasonably established,  and ensure that the lines of communication stay open? Or do you send in your slightly off-balance general who too often resorts to screaming and who considers everything to be a battlefield?

The owners sent in the warrior, and that at least partially contributed to the disaster of losing games so close to a deal.

Dual independent reports from ESPN today tell of the meeting that could have saved the season, and of the reported 50/50 deal that fell apart (which both sides claim came from the other side). And the conclusion came not with Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher dealing with the union, but with Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant... and Kevin Garnett marching in to tell the owner's what what.

The first report came from Bill Simmons in his column yesterday at Grantland 
During one of the single biggest meetings (last week, on Tuesday), Hunter had Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce and Garnett (combined years spent in college: three) negotiate directly with Stern in some sort of misguided "Look how resolved we are, you're not gonna intimidate us!" ploy that backfired so badly that one of their teams' owners was summoned into the meeting specifically to calm his player down and undo some of the damage. (I'll let you guess the player. It's not hard.) And this helped the situation … how? And we thought this was going to work … why?
via Bill Simmons Avoids a Few Subjects Before Making His Week 6 NFL Picks - Grantland.

OK, a vague report which doesn't name the particular player that went nuts. We can pass that asi...oh. From TrueHoop:
As Stern has recounted a dozen times since, not long after what was supposed to have been the hallway conversation that saved the season, something odd and wholly unexpected happened. There was a knock on the door where Stern was selling his owners on the idea. The players wanted to talk.

When they convened, instead of the union's head, Hunter, or their negotiating committee of Maurice Evans, Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, Theo Ratliff, Etan Thomas and Chris Paul, representing the players were Fisher, Kessler, and three superstars who had been to very few of the meetings at all: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant.

A bad sign: Pierce was still wearing his backpack.

The players had two pieces of news that shocked the league: 50/50 was not good enough. And there was nothing further to discuss.

...

And players who hadn't even been in the talks, and who seemed not to be on the same page with the crew that had endured more than 40 meetings, had been the ones to reject the best offer the league was likely to have, and to end the best day of negotiations prematurely.

What in the hell was going on? How had they so misread the situation? And where was Billy Hunter? Who spoke for the union? Should the league have been negotiating with Kevin Garnett all along?
via TrueHoop Blog - ESPN.

Ooh, ooh! I'll answer it! Me! Me! Me!

No.

Under no circumstances should Kevin Garnett be in charge of negotiating anything but an entry pass from Rajon Rondo on the left block. That's it. Not only should Garnett not be heading the conversations, Garnett shouldn't be allowed inside the building. He, Dan Gilbert, and Robert Sarver should be barred from the building, through court orders, if necessary. This whole disgusting charade has gone on long enough with ego, dramatics, and nonsense running the show. This is a business negotiation, and even if both sides want to approach it from the ruthless, cutthroat perspective, let it be done with the pen, not with petty shows of strength that only manage to detonate critical talks at a critical time. 

Garnett's going to get the most blame for this based off of his reported behavior. But Pierce and Kobe were both in the room, and should share the blame. The goal was to show the owners they won't back down. What they managed to do was weaken the union's position by making them look out of their league, which was reinforced on Friday with JaVale McGee's "folding" disaster. It's admirable that the players wanted to make a show of strength. But this wasn't the way to do it. Calmly standing behind Billy Hunter and reasserting their stand at 53 percent? Okay, not really helping the whole situation, but it's a reasonable position. 

Going solo with or without Hunter's permission and winding up in a screaming match with the owners?

That's not a reasonable approach. That's making a bad situation worse.

This entire scenario is reflective of the simplest terms of the lockout. The owners have been intransigent, manipulative, hypocritcal, and self-contradictory. They've pushed 50/50 as a compromise, when in reality it's a cave-in by the players to what the owner want. They've extorted and back the players into a corner. It's nearly shameful the power grab that's gone on throughout the course of these negotiations, dating back two years. 

And the players?

They're in that corner, and they can't stop themselves from running into the walls.

God save the NBA.  
Comments

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 10:08 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

To me this is like the blind leading the blind with Kobe Bryant,Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. The owners dont want to lose money and its like the players just dont care. Just shut it down let them work for a living like most Americans. The prim a-donas need a wake up call.



Since: Jan 1, 2010
Posted on: October 15, 2011 10:04 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

I can't stand professional basketball. In fact, the only time I watch it is the time between the end of the football season and the beginning of the basketball season. Most of the players are prima donnas like the wide receivers in the NFL. At least professional football and baseball are interesting. If the season is cancelled, I'll spend that time period watching college basketball or going to the mall w/ my wife.



Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 10:00 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

And to say that you would would hav ethe players force the bad owners to lose money, and by extension their franchise?!  Then basic math would show you that with less teams, fewer ball players, less revenue for the league, less money from TV rights and any marketing contracts, and fewer people receiving endorsements, then only the elite of the elite players would ever get to play pro ball.  As a result, college hoops wouldn't create such a demand for as many players, and following the bouncing ball.... only the "elite" college teams would attract the good players.  Colleges would make less money, and thus have less money to give as scholarships, which would lead to fewer people actually going to college.  Wow, less, less, less.....That seems to be a smart idea.  Congratulations, you just made America more stupid.
I didn't say eliminate teams. I said refuse to play for shitty owners and make them sell. Michael Jordan said it best when he said if you cant afford to run the team, sell it to someone who can. Do you work for someone you hate? I so, your an idiot. Why should the players play for owners they hate?



Since: Feb 12, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:58 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks


There are more millionaires in this country without a college degree than with a college degree.



mrbokc-  I am afraid that your statement and assumption are completely incorrect.  This is a line from the book,"The millionaire next door".

* As a group, we are fairly well educated. Only about one in five are not college graduates. Many of us hold advanced degrees. Eighteen percent have master's degrees, 8 percent law degrees, 6 percent medical degrees, and 6 percent Ph.D.s


You can read this from:http://www.nytimes.com/books/f

irst/s/stanley-millionaire.html

A lot of people assume this because of Steve Jobs and a few others.  Also folks love to repeat something they have heard, but never research it to see if it is true.  I always always research before I state something as a fact.




Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:57 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

This article was terrible, wow.
As long as white David Stern and white billionaire owners keep showing up every once in awhile talking about how they care about the "game" and it's (white) fans then the billionaire owners will be supported by the majority of fans. The billionaire owners for the most part profited during the economic collapse of the last 6 years and some helped create it. These people have zero in common with you and are in another financial universe beyond even the star players.
But so long as the african american players remain dark skinned so many writers and posters will side with the owners.  It's insane.  White fans want to punish the black players I guess, for being black and wealthy.  Even Garnett is poor compared to these owners.  I am thankful these players are trying to stick up to the top 1% billionaires, they seem to be the only people in the nation to do so. They try to keep a fair deal while idiot posters here try to figure out how to give more money to billionaires who profits off our misery during the recent economic collapse.  You cant be rational and desire that, you must just be a dumb racist.  There seems to be no other possibility.




Since: Jun 15, 2007
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:46 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

Are you a moron, or do you just wannabe a pro player?  The players are caving to take a deal where they earn half of what a business makes?  Just to refresh your memory, it is the owners money and owners team.  You work for him.  He gets to decide how much he is willing to pay you to PLAY a game.  You are an entertainer.  You get to play for the pleasure of the viewing audience.  There have been very few, if any, businesses in the world where the workers get a bigger share than the owner(s).  If you want the lions share, become an owner.

And to say that you would would hav ethe players force the bad owners to lose money, and by extension their franchise?!  Then basic math would show you that with less teams, fewer ball players, less revenue for the league, less money from TV rights and any marketing contracts, and fewer people receiving endorsements, then only the elite of the elite players would ever get to play pro ball.  As a result, college hoops wouldn't create such a demand for as many players, and following the bouncing ball.... only the "elite" college teams would attract the good players.  Colleges would make less money, and thus have less money to give as scholarships, which would lead to fewer people actually going to college.  Wow, less, less, less.....That seems to be a smart idea.  Congratulations, you just made America more stupid.

God, I have to give it to you.  You have just given yourself a huge opportunity in the political world, by giving China another way to try and take us down.  Good luck, but I still refuse to try and learn Chinese.



Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:23 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

People on this board need to learn nba history before commenting. The last lockout was in 98. garnet,pierce and kobe were in the league when that deal was signed kevin garnett was the first player to get a 100 million dollar contract, Why work for the last 13 years to give all that up. all i hear is the owners lost 300 mill 200 mill were from projects not directley connected to the teams. Malls, real estates ventures, mini malls and stuff like that,. Now when the economy went belly up so did all those investments. Especially the real Estate. Now the owners made a lot of bad investments in players and pet projects. Now all those bad investments are the players fault. Look at the dodgers the owners ran them in the ground. You feel that all the players should take a pay cuts cause of mismanagement. Look at my knicks for years we had the largest salary cap in the league but we stunk. 7 bad contracts marbury,james,ect and who ever else that wanted a multimillion dollar contract. The knicks have enough revenue to stay a float with bad contracts. Some of the teams in the NBA cant afford 1 bad contract. I dont think there is a league without star power. I mean we knew about lebron james when he was a sophmore in highschool. he was filling arenas in high school. No matter what team he played for we were going to watch it and we were going to buy his jerseys plain and simple and most of you dogging the players got  like 4-5 jerseys in your closet. yeah some of them are babies like sitting out of a game for a hang nail. And some of them are thugs(Arenes). But not all you think tim duncan is a thug or Dirk Nowitzski or even lamar odom who grew up in the hood with a rough childhood. Or did you forget they played in the NBA? You cant classify a whole league by a few people actions. I hope you dont do that in real life.  There are more millionaires in this country without a college degree than with a college degree. College is great for connections though you have friends for life from college. Its also great if you plan on being a company man. You cant dog someone cause they didnt go to college. The most riches men in the world never went to college. I feel this was a great power move by the players showing that they do have a backbone and they are not going to roll over.



Since: Apr 11, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:21 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

Go ahead, loser (Waitrighthere).  Write something and make money off of it.  Or stop yapping.



Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:17 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

If the players hold out the league can find other players... If the owners shut this down the players cant find new owners.... the owners got this and the players should be thankful they are playing a game for a living. What i would give to do that
Yeah. That's what the fans and the owners want.... subpar players. Fans would be lining up to buy Joe Schmoe's jersey.....I mean, did you see the way he was almost able to dunk that basketball? 
 
Ordinarily I'd agree with some people on here that there's always college basketball, except that I feel like I'm watching the WNBA whenever I tune in to that crap.




Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:07 pm
 

Report: Garnett, Pierce, Kobe intervened in talks

Personally, at this point I would love to watch scabs play.  As a matter of fact, I would prefer it to watching this spoiled bunch of overpaid brats take the court.  There are talented players toiling in the developmental league for around $20k per season.  I imagine plenty of them and other talented basketball players would be willing to cross lines.


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