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Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

Posted on: October 22, 2011 7:00 pm
Edited on: October 22, 2011 7:18 pm
 
Posted by Ben Gollivernba-lockout

Pro-tip: Any time a negotiation ends with one party standing up on national television to call the other party a liar and the federal mediator apppointed to oversee things issues a "hands in the air" press release as he sneaks out the side door, that's a failed negotiation.

The NBA's labor negotiations reached rock bottom when National Basketball Players Association president Derek Fisher didn't mince words, accusing representatives of the NBA's owners of lying in their depiction of labor talks that broke down on Thursday.

The New York Times reported Friday that, although everything looks terribly bleak, the two sides could re-engage communication as early as this weekend.
“It could be tougher than it has been in the past to get back together,” Peter Holt, the chairman of the league’s labor-relations committee, said Thursday night.

Yet on Friday, people on both sides of the divide, speaking off the record, predicted there would be a phone call or two over the weekend and probably another meeting next week. That has been the pattern all month: every dramatic breakdown followed by a brief silence and then a surprising resumption of talks.

In many respects, the parties are exactly where they were two weeks ago, when union officials angrily accused the league of “setting preconditions” — i.e. acceptance of a 50-50 split — for any further talks. Two days later, they were back at the bargaining table.
The big question here: Can we get an injury report on NBA commissioner David Stern? Stern, who called in sick to Thursday's negotiations that eventually went up in flames, hasn't emerged yet emerged to put the pieces back together. The possibility of further regular season game cancellations looms, so perhaps we'll be hearing from him soon?

Certainly, the vast majority of NBA observers have to be hoping that Stern's return comes with news of negotiation reconciliation, and not solely the bad news of a further delay to the start of the 2011-2012 season.
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Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: October 24, 2011 4:49 pm
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

Next week Next year It's all too late for this Fan. Kobe you almost  beat him. Almost. Dwade its a shame, you were next in line for a shot at best of all time. Lebron never was, never will be. I saw games as a kid at the Great Western Forum, Seattle, Sacto when Vlade Played. Nothing the owners or players can do to bring back NBA to it Glory days.



Since: Mar 25, 2011
Posted on: October 23, 2011 10:06 pm
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

Dear loyal fans, we don't give a crap about you.

Sincerely,

The NBPA


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Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: October 23, 2011 7:58 pm
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Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: October 23, 2011 7:25 pm
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

Greed from both the players' and the leagues' part.  Too many teams and too little talent.  The league's too worried about profit and not the competitiveness of the games.  I say contract and less teams making the playoffs, maybe 4 from each conference.  Just watch how competitive the games will be as teams will actually battle to make the playoffs.



Since: Jun 3, 2011
Posted on: October 23, 2011 1:32 pm
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

Well, simply put, every day that goes by without a resolution to this, more money is being lost by both sides.  The owners are probably in a better position to hold out, but be that as it may, at some point, sanity and reason needs to replace emotion.  Hopefully that point will be soon.



Since: Feb 28, 2007
Posted on: October 23, 2011 12:12 pm
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

What's with every "f"ing headline these days ending in a question mark?? Either you have news or you DON'T. Speculation isn't news morons....



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 23, 2011 11:48 am
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

The game sucks now and I am thinking most of the "haters" like me are former fans who just want our game back.  I hope the end of this lockout brings a game that more resembles basketball and less a pick up game or And-one video.   

That's exactly who the "haters" are, and I'm one of them.  I used to watch a ton of NBA basketball, any game and not just my favourite team.  I was ( and wish I still could be) and huge Pistons fan but the game has gone down hill for so long now it's awful.   And for me it's not all about winning championships, I was a huge Pistons fan before the "bad boys" came around.  I was a fan for years before when the Celtics kicked our asses and for years later when the Pistons started losing again.  My problem is the game...... it used to be competitive, players used to give a crap and for the most part they earned their money.  Now you have useless players signing 50 and 60 million dollar contracts that do nothing.... they don't produce but keep on getting paid.   There used to be strategy in an NBA game... players had heart.  Players played for more then the money.... not anymore.  Until or unless that changes, I'm not going to invest my time in watching these guys play...

How do I think it gets better? A hard cap and lower salaries.... the current players will never care but as they disappear and new kids come into the picture they'll have a reason to care about the game.   Right now, it's just not worth watching...  



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: October 23, 2011 10:36 am
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

I'm a fan, but a much more frustrated one the last 10 years. I've been a pro basketball fan since the early days of the ABA, and I can tell you, NBA stars are like busses-there is one on every corner. Really....Fans get all enamored and believe the total BS spread by players, agents and the NBPA mouthpieces that these guys are irreplacable....They're not.  If the NBA told  just the max contract players to take a cut or take a hike, someone would step up in 10 minutes to steal their limellight, and do it at a cheaper price.

The players guys think they can extort the paying investors of the NBA (owners, taxpayers, sponsors, and fans) into paying them out of our pockets, without regard to bankrupting the NBA.     

If I were the NBA, I wouldn't get in a hurry anymore to talk to the NBPA... In fact, the Owners need to see their lawyers about the semantics of paying existing contractual obligations (players aren't at fault in a lockout-owners are) so they can completely redraw working terms that help insure the NBA can go forward making a profit. It's not rocket science where that money has to come from- it has to come back in salary reductions from players. As long as the owners pay their legally binding contractual commitments, they can make a new working agreement, and institute it. If the players union rejects it, they can strike, but owners don't owe them a dime in a strike and can replace them if they want. If the union decertifies... see the NFL for how that worked out for players.

There are really only two options in the end- players eother make LESS money, or NO money from the NBA. Even if the players aren't smart enough to pick the one that benefits them most, their agents and lienholders will help them. Stalling isn't going to help. These guys aren't exploited mineworkers, they're slumdog millionaire basketball players that aren't going to get much sympathy from federal mediators, courts, fans, corporate sponsors or owners. 


Players are attempting an armed robbery of the NBA by holding the gun to their OWN heads. It's time the NBA told them to go ahead and shoot.  



Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: October 23, 2011 10:29 am
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

lets see the players want 52.5% and the owners want 50% so basically this deal is being held up by the players over a mere 200- 300 millions dollar difference. you divide that with the 400+ players and you looking at what about 5-6 hundred thousand per player.  i know my numbers may not be exact. that is a extremely small amount of cash to not get a deal done. 


just greedy players wanting more than they should get. when you consider the owners gave them 57% in the last deal. it's time for the players to give a little and get this deal done!   


the whole bs last year with melo, bron and other have turned fans away from the game. now this bs deal is doing even more damage to the nba. good luck getting what fans remain to return.  in turn the players are making the nba worth even less money. because most fans are sick of this and may not go to the games. no fans = less revenue.   way to go players drive your salaries down even more. when you are over paid in the first place!    


that's ok because the fans still have bb. ncaa start is coming soon. march madness and the tourney are way better than anything the nba can do!   



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: October 23, 2011 10:26 am
 

Report: NBA, players to meet next week?

However, I disagree that most of the haters are like you. You seem to have legimate gripes whereas the vast majority don't have a clue.


ghelton03, I won't speak for everyone, but I have a clue why I'm fed up with the NBA. Go back & re-read my original post, pure satire my friend. If I had to point to a single moment, I'd say that Shaq's tenure in LA brought about the current game we now are being fed (ie no-hustling, traveling chest beating, camera mugging freakball). To top it off, now the upper echelon players are colluding to join forces on teams in fashionable cities to ensure they win rings and solidify their places in the HOF. Do you think John Stockton & Karl Malone would have ever considered that? How can these brats possibly look into a camera and with a straight face say they love the game? (excuse me why I choke back a little vomit)


The owners are 100% in the right to put an end to some of this stupidity right now before the current trend sinks ten or more franchises and destroys all of the game's credibility. The game is moving away from real competition towards WWE staged athletic exhibitions. Be honest with yourself, what does the current game more closely resemble; an NCAA collegiate contest or a Harlem Globetrotter exhibition? You stated previously that you enjoy the current game and that's fine, but I've seen what a great game professionals competing on a level playing field can be and I won't be duped into believing this is better. I think reeling in these egos is the best thing that could happen to the sport, these players are the least humble, least appreciative, most selfish people I've ever witnessed compete in a professional TEAM sport.  It's sickening. I think the Lockout will ultimately yield a better product. If it means a year or more off, so be it, if we get a great game back, it will definitely be worth it.    


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