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Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Posted on: October 26, 2011 1:51 pm
 
Posted by Royce Young

The tone coming from the players' side of things changed drastically when last week's talks with the federal mediator fizzled out. Derek Fisher did his best to start that by announcing the media was lied to by Adam Silver and Peter Holt following negotiations.

Both sides though are proliferating their own "truths" that the other quickly disputes. Most recently, after Billy Hunter talked about a proposal made by Mark Cuban, the league refuted that saying it was actually something presented by the union.

Keep up with this crap is kind of hard to do. And I thought politics were bad.

Joining in on that was Spurs' forward Matt Bonner who was on TSN Radio. When asked if David Stern's lying, Bonner danced and jumped all around calling the commish a liar without actually doing it.
“About certain things, yes. Lying is a strong word, mis-characterizing for sure. He talks about the owners, that he’s proud of the owners for the sacrifices they’ve made and the concessions they’ve made. They haven’t made a single concession. We haven’t asked for one thing more than what we had at the expiration of our last CBA. In fact, we haven’t even asked for any thing the same as the last CBA. We’ve made concessions on basically every front. … Despite that, they’re still anchored in at this extreme positions at both their split of the revenue and system issues.”
Lying is indeed a strong word, so as Bonner altered that to, mis-representing and mis-characterizing probably fits better. But that's just the nature of the game. The owners probably don't even see it as lying when the players do. They're entrenched in their positions and as Hunter said recently, it's almost a principle thing for players. Which means they're going to be even more passionate about every little thing.

Bonner went on to speak so much sense that I don't think it actually made any:
“From my position, you’re going to start to ask yourself, ‘Why are we not getting this ball rolling?’ It’s kind of  a philosophical paradox in that you know eventually, at some point, a deal is going to be made. It’s not like there’s never going to be the NBA ever again. So for simplicity’s sake, why not let’s get a deal now? … We had a 15-hour meeting and it’s like pulling teeth trying to get anywhere with these guys. It’s just frustrating and leads you to question, they must not be ready to make a deal.”
Writers and fans have been saying the same thing since July. A deal WILL be made. It HAS to happen. So why not start moving past this negotiation bullcrap and get to your bottom-dollar best offer? We're already missing games. Before further damage is done, let's actually, as Bonner says, get the ball rolling.

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Since: Mar 30, 2010
Posted on: October 27, 2011 1:46 am
 

or maybe just all of it




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 9:47 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Fact is players come and go and yet the NBA goes on and on -- it will continue long after the current great players like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc are gone, just as it survived the retirements of Russell, Baylor, Chamberlin, Bird, Magic, Abdul-Jabbar, Jordan, Dr. J, Moses Malone.  Ultimately, the players are expendable, there are always new players coming along.

That's the thing player supporters can't grasp at all... they don't have the slightest clue.  You are 100 percent correct, the NBA will be just fine without today's superstars when they are done playing.  Why?  Because 90 percent of fans don't watch NBA games for the player's name on the back of the jersey, they follow their favourite teams.  Anybody that only follows a team because of a specific player or two is a useless fan and the NBA doesn't care about that fan.... those fans can stop watching immediately, nobody will care. There isn't and has never been a sports league in the world that profits from fans like that and there never will be....



Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 8:31 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Bonner has conveniently forgotten the players' proposal (@57% BRI) to add a second mid-level exception to the CBA thus allowing the teams over the cap to sign two additional players each year for ~$34M to add to the salary of each team. That certainly is an added benefit proposal. But of course the players claim they are entitled to at least the terms of the last CBA which was a total disaster for the owners. They are not entitled to anything. They start from zero each contract and negotiate for their priorities the same as the owners. Of course nobody want to sign a worse contract. But the survival of the league may depend on fixing both the total revenue split and the competitive balance of the league. Unless you visualize going back to an 8 team league there must be a harder cap and greater penalties for exceeding that cap and there must be revenue sharing between owners to allow each team to pay their players.

Is David Stern a liar? Is Billy Hunter a liar? The answer to both is probably. But the personal attacks on Stern can only further derail the process and shows how desperate Hunter is as his union dissolves under him. This union has failed the players by not engaging in the problems. This union has failed the fans by claiming things far from the truth. These owners have likewise failed the fans by failing to convince the union that what they say are not lies but promises. Until these failures are addressed there will be no inching, crawling or staggering over the line to a new CBA.



Since: Sep 23, 2009
Posted on: October 26, 2011 7:41 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Spoken like a true owner, it's all the players fault, the owners agree to the contracts for millions of dollars to the players but it's the players fault for taking it???? You're probably a republican. 



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Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:57 pm
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Since: Aug 21, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:45 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Attendance is not at a all time high. This isnt like the NFL lockout where the only problem is how to divide a multi-billion dollar pie. Close to half the teams in the NBA either broke even or lost money recently. The owners arent stupid. They didnt get rich by running businesses where it was their goal to break even. Thats what happening all around the league. They dont need the NBA to keep earning a paycheck or to survive. Many of the NBA players, believe it or not, live pay check to paycheck. Check out the figures on what percentage of ex NBA players are bankrupt within 5 or 10 years of retiring. Its staggering. Not that this has anything to do with this topic but Stern needs to mandate some financial management classes for all players once a year, so they wont forget them.. But my point is the players will cave way before the owners do. If the owners arent getting a deal where they can all make money every year, they wont make one, As simple as that. Players need a paycheck, and they will all be needing one soon. The owners will get the deal they wanted from the onset of the lockout or one real close to it. The players have to make the concessions or there will be no 2011 season.



Since: Aug 21, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:27 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

"It's at a high in the last 8-10 years or so, but that's only because it's gone down to an all-time low for  a while. Ever since Jordan left, the league's popularity hasn't been the same, and the ratings confirm that. The NBA will continue to slip, and in the next decade, I predict it will fall below the NHL and MLS as well."

Good think you're not nostradamus... Ratings fall below NHL and MLS... LMFAO, are you kidding me? NBA is more popular than baseball and its popularity trails only the NFL.. Even though it trails the NFL by a enormous amount... The NBA showcases the worlds best athletes and will always be more popular than hockey and soccer combined. The ratings may diminish here in the US, but the NBAs global appeal and popularity has increased exponentially in the past decade or two.



Since: May 2, 2007
Posted on: October 26, 2011 6:24 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Jordan was and always will be the NBA.  



Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: October 26, 2011 5:34 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

I guess you're believing all the lies Stern has been spewing? The NBA is not at an all-time high, and far from it. Check the ratings yourself if you really want: http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/N
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sen_ratings

It's at a high in the last 8-10 years or so, but that's only because it's gone down to an all-time low for  a while. Ever since Jordan left, the league's popularity hasn't been the same, and the ratings confirm that. The NBA will continue to slip, and in the next decade, I predict it will fall below the NHL and MLS as well.




Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: October 26, 2011 2:54 pm
 

Bonner on Stern: He's lying about certain things

Attendance and viewers are down because fans are not idiots.  Stern screwed this whole thing up, now he wants to use the players to fix it.  Why nobody has called for Sterns firing is beyond me, but they must be afraid to. 
Actually, according to the players and every other source out there attendance and tv viewers are at all time highs, thus the ever increasing revenues that the players and owners are fighting over.  I really don't think the NBA owners, many of whom are billionaires, are "afraid" to call for Stern's firing (you dont get that rich by being afraid to hire and fire employees and Stern is their employee)...they are not firing Stern because of the record and ever increasing revenues enjoyed by the NBA since he became Commissioner.  Now you can characterize the NBA and Stern's success as "riding the coattails" of Bird, Magic and Jordan if you want to -- but really it "takes two to tango" and without the NBA's marketing, licensing, negotiating tv deals, etc those 3 would have just been legendary playground basketball players, or maybe barnstorming around the country playing ball for a fractions of the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, that they have earned through the NBA and the endorsements that led to as well.  Fact is players come and go and yet the NBA goes on and on -- it will continue long after the current great players like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc are gone, just as it survived the retirements of Russell, Baylor, Chamberlin, Bird, Magic, Abdul-Jabbar, Jordan, Dr. J, Moses Malone.  Ultimately, the players are expendable, there are always new players coming along. 


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