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Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

Posted on: November 2, 2011 10:37 pm
 
Posted by Ben Gollivernba-lockout

National Basketball Players Association Derek Fisher is under attack. And it's only getting worse by the day.

After recent reports questioned his loyalty, his relationship with NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, and his leadership abilities, Fisher responded by sending a letter to the NBPA in an effort to mend fences on Monday and threatening to sue one media outlet on Tuesday for reporting that he might have been co-opted by NBA commissioner David Stern.

Those aggressive counterpunches appear to have done little to stem the criticism.

On Wednesday, 16-year NBA veteran Jerry Stackhouse, who most recently had a cup of coffee with the Miami Heat in 2010-2011, torched Fisher in a ESPN radio interview, delivering arguably the harshest critique of the union president to date. 

"Not to say anything against Derek Fisher, it's not that I don't think he's a great guy," Stackhouse said, "But I don't want him negotiating my contract. I want an agent who knows the lingo negotiating my contract. Derek Fisher, he doesn't negotiate his own contract. He has an agent. So why would I want him negotiating something even bigger than his contract? This [Collective Bargaining Agreement] is something more important to everybody." 

If that wasn't clear enough for you, Stackhouse went on to leave no doubt that he feels Fisher is outmatched in the current negotiation.

"David Stern, he's made this league what it is," Stackhouse said. "He's one of the greatest commissioners in sports. He's got that title, he's got the NBA at the place where it is because he's a shrewd businessman and knows how to work his way, play the media, play things up to get what he wants. We don't do that. Players are emotional. Players get emotional. So no, I don't necessarily, particularly want Derek Fisher or any of the executive committee negotiating a contract for me."

While Stackhouse sounded reluctant to outright accuse Fisher of disloyalty to his members, he clearly left the possibility open.

"I don't know [if Derek met with the NBA]," Stackhouse said. "I would hope not. I don't think Derek is  that kind of guy from what I've seen. But at the same time, he does have aspirations to possibly be a G.M. one day. If he can be the guy to bring the sides together in whatever way, maybe there would be an oppportunity for him to be a G.M. I'm not saying that he has an ulterior motive but the possibility lies there." 

If there was a silver lining for Fisher, it was that Stackhouse's frustration with the NBPA pre-dated Fisher's tenure as president, which began in 2006.

"Over the course of my career, the last 16 years, it seems like the executive committee is always making concessions," Stackhouse said. "More concessions, more concessions in each Collective Bargaining Agreement and this is no different. I don't think there's ever been a case where it seems like we have any leverage...  We need to have more people who are capable of going toe to toe with David Stern and I just don't think players who spend most of their time playing basketball and Billy Hunter are geared to do that."

Despite airing all of that frustration, Stackhouse said he didn't give much credence to reports that there is a developing rift between Fisher and Hunter.  

"I don't think they are necessarily at odds. But I think they are obviously are each feeling different pressures. I can imagine their voicemails are full all the time, text messages all the time about different items, from different players and different representatives... Obviously you're going to butt heads from time to time but I think for the most part both of those guys want to get a deal done."

But unity among the union's leadership isn't enough to convince Stackhouse the NBPA will deliver a good deal for its members.  

"I'm not sure they are going about it the right way, of actually getting a good deal done for the players," he said.
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Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2011 1:11 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

Good ole' Stackhouse.  I guess he spouts out random comments just like he will take any shot on the court.  Why is he even relevant to the NBA... guy should of retired a few years ago (and the NBPA is fighting to get 1% for the retired players fund)...

Does Stackhouse realize that Fisher was nominated by the NBA players to become the NBPA President?  He probably voted Fisher in and forgot...  

I guess that's the difference between Stackhouse, a premiere standout player since being a sophomore in high school, a great 2 year college stud at North Carolina (a big-time college basketball program) and attaining no degree and taking many elective classes to get by, while Fisher went to Arkansas Little Rock, not even a "mid-major" basketball program, spending four years there while attaining a degree in communications (as well as showing he's a leader on and off the court).  Now it would help if Fisher had majored in economics or something of that nature, but the fact he has a degree and does appear to be one of the smarter men in the NBA all lend credit as to why he is the head of the NBPA.

While Stackhouse "wouldn't want Derek negotiating his contract", not that he's actually doing that whatsoever, it appears Fisher has always had a lot to do with he negotations and contracts... not just leaving it up to his agent.  Fisher is the definition of a "role player", and maybe Jerry is just jealous because while Stackhouse had much more talent than Fisher, Stack only managed to make (haha, "only"), 80 million in his NBA playing days while Fisher is at 60 million for now (plus he is guaranteed another 10 mil or so) in the future while Stack is done, waived by the Heat last season.

Maybe Jerry should of had Derek help negotiate his contracts.  I mean Stackhouse put up 29.8 Ppg, 5.1 Apg, 3.9 Rpg, and 1.2 Spg in 2000-2001, though he did shoot 40% from the field, and scored over 20+Points a game in 5 NBA seasons, proving to be a legit scorer yet he wasn't able to land one of those "Gilbert Arenas" contracts, though he still make a buttload of money for being a high usage scorer that wasn't exactly the most efficient scorer, which for a small PG is acceptable, but for a 6'-6'' SG... not so much.  Jerry was never the smartest player, just pure talent for the most part; had he had the brains of a Derek Fisher this guy would of been something extremely special.

As for the NBA lockout... not much to say that's already been said here, and everywhere else.  But I just want to make sure people understand that Stackhouse has always proven to be a tool, and while he may be nearing 40 years of age he is still emotionally and intellectually as smart as a sophomore in high school (where he was such a standout basketball star, haha).

I'll just let this do the talking:  In 2008 when the Mavericks played the Hornets in the playoffs, 33/34 year old Jerry a role player for the Mavericks was still acting like a child:

"I think it's just about having personalities that mesh and I think  is such a great guy, I think he's been able to kind of deal with Byron Scott. I don't think Byron Scott is the best coach or I don't think he's the best guy to deal with – you know what I'm sayin? – from some things that I've heard from other players and just some dealings that I had with him earlier in the season. I was about ready to kick his ass – you know what I'm sayin? He was sitting on the sideline and we just got into a little conversation or something and he was going to tell me, you know, 'Talk to me when you get a ring.' I was like, I told that fool, 'If I played with  and  and  I'd have a ring, too. So, you know, he's a sucker in my book, but that's a whole other story."<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"></sup> 



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: November 4, 2011 12:53 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

I am surprised the lockout did not end long ago. Don't the owners understand that the players hold all the cards? They don't need the NBA!


There isn't a player in the league that can't take his considerable talent to any place in the private sector and pull down a seven figure salary with the snap of his fingers.*


 *The previous statement was made on the assumption that Burger King is now paying their employees a wage of $10,000 an hour.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: November 4, 2011 12:37 am
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

No real surprise here, there's always a frw Tobys that only care for self and could careless what happens to those in line behind them. Jerry Stackhouse is that Toby and I'm sure others will follow. I thought this fool was educated, NOT! Hey DumbArse Jerry, Fisher only represent your DumbA he has nothing to do with anyones contract. And as for Sterns, he's a Horse's Arse. If not for the likes of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, and a multitude of Basketball Talent the NBA would be like the WNBA. Fisher and Hunter only communicates what the Players wants to the Owners. And the Union make concessions because of weak minded people like Stackhouse. Retire Already!



Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: November 3, 2011 11:56 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

Jerry Stackhouse fires out at Derek Fisher with about the same effect as his lifetime playoff FG% (37%). Fisher is outmatched here but he is also aware of the feelings of the players he negotiates for. The agents who negotiate players' contracts are not negotiating the CBA (never have) because they are far more long-term than the players and make most of their money from the big contract players. The rank and file (300-350 of the 450+) will have to leave the sport to survive while the agents hold out a year or two. Really, I think Fisher is caught between a rock and a hard place. The players who vote a majority of the union are being screwed by the players who make the most money.

Stackhouse says:
"Over the course of my career, the last 16 years, it seems like the executive committee is always making concessions," Stackhouse said. "More concessions, more concessions in each Collective Bargaining Agreement and this is no different. I don't think there's ever been a case where it seems like we have any leverage.
And the CBA just expired paid the players over $11B and the owners lost $1.8B in doing it. That looks like over-leverage to me. The word concessions is consistent with the entitlement mentality that the big-contract players maintain. They are not entitled. They have nothing to 'give back'. They are employees and not partners (if partners they owe over $5B in team costs and $0.9B in losses to the owners to get to 50%.) I get that everyone wants to get more. But with 20 million of our fellow Americans out of work it is insensitive and reckless to demand more in this climate, threatening the very survival of the league. Fisher is not getting paid to negotiate. Stackhouse is merely blowing his agent's smoke at us.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 3, 2011 6:44 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

The players are over the barrel, but I would say this - if the union decertifies, the owners will find themselves in a really interesting place.  The salary cap becomes unconstitutional (its only legal if it is collectively bargaed), at which point the big market teams have all the chips because they can still make money at that point.  I don't know what is going to happen (ok, we all know the players are going to cave in, probably this weekend), but it would be very interesting to see what happens then. 

There isn't a court on the planet that can force an owner of any business to operate while losing money...... not even if the losses are a lot less.  If there is a 1 dollar loss the players will lose this one.

And even if they could "win" doing that, the last thing the players want to do is try and force the owners to let them back on the floor through the courts.  The NBA could EASILY declare bankruptcy, making all of the contracts the players have signed useless.  They can't touch the owners on a personal level, it's against the law. The only thing the players could benefit from is assets the NBA owns.. when you consider the NBA owns nothing much more then NBA franchises who have very little for assets, the players are risking everything if they force the owners hand.  They better be extremely careful because nothing can stop the NBA from going belly up and handing the keys over to the players.  Keys that won't net them 10 percent of even 1 year's salary in a bankruptcy and all the money owed for future seasons in their respective deals void. 



Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: November 3, 2011 5:07 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

Why the heck is Fisher and other players big players in these high up meetings? I have little doubt that Fisher is a smart guy, but he is a basketball player. He knows little about negotiating and contract making. The players should have outsourced this to a consulting firm of some sort. Get professionals who do this all the time to get an agreement.
Why are Fisher and other players on the negotiating committee with Hunter?  Simple answer -- because that is how the union (THE PLAYERS) wanted it.  If the majority of the union wanted to, they could tell the "executive committee" including union president Fisher, to stay out of the bargaining process but that is not the choice they made.  They have Hunter, who is highly qualified for negotiations, teams of high priced very capable lawyers to handle the language, and economists as part of the bargaining team as well.



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: November 3, 2011 4:03 pm
 

Agreed

Point made, Stack. Now shut up. You're not helping anybody.




Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: November 3, 2011 1:37 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

Can the admin block this idiot, i see this crap on almost every post.



Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: November 3, 2011 12:39 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

What a joke some players want it to end tomorrow others want to hold on till the last fight. This is why i dont do business with thugs. They dont understand business. Jerry is right they keep backpeddling its a negotiation. You give i give. No give give give. These young players need to stop making it rain and pick up a business book and read the art of negotiation. You cant go against the team that is fighting for you. Beasley is a idiot. Thats why he makes the news so much. I never seen anything like it.  Bunch of over paid babies not hanging with the union. The union is only there to fight for you no other reason. Get with the pogram



Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 3, 2011 12:22 pm
 

Jerry Stackhouse torches Derek Fisher, NBPA

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I didn't come away from Stacks interview with the impression he wanted to continue to hold out. In fact it sounded like he wants it to end ASAP - he doesn't have much playing time left in his career. I took his comments as he just didn't think Fisher or any player had the proper business skills needed to negotiate a contract for the union - which I commend him on having the guts to say.


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