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Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

Posted on: November 7, 2011 1:36 am
Edited on: November 7, 2011 1:40 am
 
Posted by Royce Young

The players have deemed the league's ultimatum proposal "unacceptable." That much is clear. They have until the end of business Wednesday to make up their mind whether or not they can work with the 51-49 "band" proposal that David Stern outlined Saturday night.

And right now, it doesn't sound like there's any wavering. Ken Berger of CBSSports.com put it extremely well in saying that Derek Fisher and the players made a tactical error in addressing Stern's ultimatum. As Berger wrote, Fisher should've flipped the script on the Master Negotiator and said that his group is ready and willing to spend the next 96 hours negotiating and bargaining to close out a deal.

According to ESPN.com, that's exactly the idea.
Sources close to the talks revealed later Sunday that the union is actually holding out hope that the league will call to re-open negotiations before Wednesday, with an eye toward tweaking some of the system issues to lead to a more palatable deal that the NBPA would be comfortable with putting to a vote. The union's belief, sources say, is that a few changes -- none of them monumental -- could produce a deal now that the gap on the revenue was closed further in Saturday's negotiations.
That, to me, is the most reasonable explanation at this point. Because to refute the proposal from the league immediately without even really giving it a shot doesn't seem fair to the process to me. Fisher rejected the deal pretty much all on his own Saturday night (along with attorney Jeff Kessler and Billy Hunter) and spoke for some 450 players by saying it wasn't acceptable.

But could it actually be? Most likely -- and this is just my opinion -- the majority of rank and file players would be willing to vote for the proposal the league laid out Saturday. Fisher knows this and that's why he's likely reluctant to even give them a shot at it. Who else knows it? David Stern, and that's why he made it all so very public Saturday.

It could very well be posturing by the union right now. All this talk of "unacceptable" could just be a ruse to try and persuade the league to bargain once more and present a tweaked and better offer. That's probably wishful thinking at this point, but that could very well be the plan. Because the players might need to face reality: The league's offer Saturday is the best they've seen yet and maybe the best they'll ever get. Not fair, I agree, but that's not really up for discussion at this point.

The union has called a "mandatory" meeting in New York Tuesday featuring all 30 team reps according to the report, presumably to discuss decertification as well as potentially the league's proposal. Holding out for another meeting isn't a bad idea, but by the way Stern spoke Saturday, it seems as if the league has played its hand and is wait for the players to either call or fold.

For better or worse, we'll know their move by the end of business Wednesday.
Category: NBA
Comments

Since: Nov 7, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 11:21 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

My man, I didn't think you would understand my point, thus, my "small-minded" fan intro.  I apologized for no one.  I was merely making the point that most people (like you) simply can't look past the surface & they blame the players by calling them selfish, which to a certain extent is true (both parties, by the way, are being very selfish).  However, when these billionaire owners started dropping $100 million salaries, no one could blame the players for signing those type of contracts.  And now the owners want to jump in the Hot Tub Time Machine?

Basketball salaries are RIDICULOUS, but who created this monster?  The owners, that's who.  I repeat:  ...and now they want the players to help save them from themselves.  It's not restricted to basketball either.  Does anyone think George W's old team was very intelligent when they signed A-Rod to a $250 million contract?  Well, maybe the Yankees did because, if $25 million per year wasn't enough for him, they thought he needed an extension.

Oh, yeah just remember this:  I could give less than a damn if the lock-out continues or not.  I love the "Big 3" sports, but if billionaires vs. millionaires can't get together over 2% or less, screw them both.  By the way, I just love the fast food stereo-type.  You are a true original!  

     


   



Since: Jul 14, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 7:48 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

Who's feeling sorry for the owners?  Even a 50-50 deal is only a modest profit margin, whereas the players get off risk free (except maybe due to injury) for their share.

If upper management at your job wanted to cut your salary in this manner, and your alternative was going overseas at 1/2 the salary or working at your local fast-food establishment, you would stand for it. 

And why are you being an apologist for the millionaire players?  Get over yourself and stop hating because you're not talented enough to be a billionaire owner instead.  /sarcasm



Since: Nov 7, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 7:21 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

You and the rest of the sarcastic, small-minded sports fans can not get past the fact that these guys make millions of dollars.  Everyone knows that, but it was the owners who constructed & agreed to these enormous contracts.  Guns were not held to their collective heads.  Now they want to play hard ball & get people like you to feel sorry for them.  They may be great business men in their other endeavors, but when it comes to professional sports, the owners always want someone to save them from themselves.  If upper management at your job wanted to cut your salary in this manner, neither you nor your co-workers would stand for it.  By the way, no one is paying hundreds of dollars/day to watch you do your job.  Get over yourself & stop hating because you are not talented enough to reach their level. 



Since: May 25, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2011 7:20 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

If the players want to blame anyone, they need only look to their leadership. They were in no way prepared for these negotiations. Now they are talking decertification, which will take at least 60 days. If they ever thought they would need that step, it should have been started a long time ago. At this point in time, they may as well take the latest offer that is on the table. I doubt it will get any better.



Since: Jul 14, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 7:04 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

You're right, Royce; the NBA's 50-50 offer isn't fair.

It still pays too much to the players, who don't have to assume financial risk or pay operating expenses out of their share.



Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 1:46 pm
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

If the players don't agree to this deal they are drinking their own koolaid and i hope the owners bring the scrubs in. Greed beyond imagination.



Since: Aug 25, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 11:47 am
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

Actually:  I am "done".   
I shall watch the Cavaliers, but shall not purchase another ticket.
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Personally, do not care WHAT happens between now and Wednesday.........................



Since: Aug 25, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 11:43 am
 

Players hoping for new meetings before Wednesday?

Am having difficulty "siding" with the players' union because EVERYONE knew "this" was happening and has known the "Owners' " position for well over two years....................

However, Billy and the players elected to just wait and sit things out....    Collecting their MILLIONS of dollars to play a game....

The NBAPA COULD have been working during these two years, but..........................

And, what have they TRULY done for the fans and TRULY done for all the people who rely upon the games for THEIR livelihood:  ticket-takers, janitorial staffs, restaurant workers, etc. etc.



Since: Mar 30, 2010
Posted on: November 7, 2011 11:42 am
 

Continue the holdout!!

Don't cave in players! The longer you hold out the better the chance the NBA disappears forever! You are being totally disrespected by the owners who expect you to live on mere millions and have to muck your way through the minions of your cities  who make thousands and cause you to live in the sludge and stink of your tiny mansions.


dookfoot
Since: Nov 5, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 11:05 am
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