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Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

Posted on: November 11, 2011 4:16 pm
Edited on: November 11, 2011 4:17 pm
Posted by Royce Young

The NBA made a new offer to the players. And like last time, the union's player representatives will meet and discuss whether or not to take the proposal to the players to vote on.

It's just a matter of if the player reps like it enough to even take it to a vote. One player rep, Danny Granger of the Pacers, says early feedback on the new proposal isn't all that positive. Via the Indy Star:
"Pacers player rep Danny Granger said early indications are that the league's latest offer will be rejected by the NBPA. Granger: 'From what I've seen and heard, the counter offer is the same they presented us a week ago, making a few minor changes that in the big scheme of things that really did nothing to the deal. I would expect that proposal to be rejected after all the players learn more about the deal. The next step I don't know.'"
Well isn't that just lovely.

The players will meet, take one look at this new proposal say in unison "That's it?" and then immediately start voting on decertification. That's the timeline we're looking at.

Here's what the players are banking on: They obviously don't want to lose a season. They obviously don't want to reject the new proposal. What they want is to push the league into another round of bargaining where there's a new proposal that's improved. The question is, how many more times will they get that?

At some point, David Stern's threats and ultimatums will become the reality. At some point, it won't be bluffing anymore. Stern's hand will be forced and the owners will indeed reset their proposal. The players are toeing the line of trying to figure out when that will actually be and then run up right to it and thereby, get the best possible deal.

Whatever the case, it's not looking like either of those things are happening soon. Well, maybe the reset, because the players certainly aren't excited about this current deal.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2011 2:49 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

When you juggle fire balls eventually you will get burned. The players have juggled the league owners' good will, the owners' business sense, the owners compromises and the owners' ultimatums. The picture now is that a majority of owners want to start playing. But they are all doing their best Clint Eastwood thing of 'go ahead, make my day'. After this offer the threats do become a reality. There are no better offers coming. The NLRB cannot say the owners have not bargained in good faith. They have agreed to an offer that loses $400M for their teams. They have bargained for system issues which do not affect working conditions. Not unlike auto workers' union demanding that General Motors produce only minivans. So the players are insinuating their system desires in order to replace sound business judgment with player wants.

The quote by Granger is misguided. It presumes to vote for the players he represents. It ignores that the players got an extra week's reprieve. The lost season is on his shoulders and on those who speak against this deal at this time. They will have to deal with a whole generation of NBA players who were drafted this year or undrafted free agents and never get to play. Many of those will never get to a training camp. Since the average time in the NBA is about four years there are many who will lose more than 25% of their lifetime earnings from the NBA. It is sad also to contemplate the lost revenue and fans from a total year being lost. Granger will come to rue the day.

Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 11:48 am
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Since: Jan 30, 2011
Posted on: November 12, 2011 11:04 am

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

Does anyone realize what would happen in the REAL world if you demanded 50% of the profits from your employer?  These guys make more money in one season than most of the working people make in a lifetime for playing a game.  Some of the new agreement is good and some bad.  Suck up and accept this is all your going to get and act like a man, not a spoiled, pampered adolecent.

Since: Jul 29, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 11:37 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

What the hell does an owner being a senator or his sexual preference have anything to do with this NBA lockout?

Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: November 11, 2011 9:58 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

I could careless if the NBA ever plays another game......Gone are the days of Bird, Magic, Dr. j and Akeem when they actually played team basketball.  Now all u have is a bunch of guys that want play one on five basketball.....I'm thinking if I wanna see that I'll go to the Rucker! Fighting over how to split three billion, when many american are out of work!!!

Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:39 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

Maybe it`s time for players to get that application in at Wal-Mart, before they lose out on that door greeter position.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2011 6:31 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

I take it the players don't think this is a final offer. Maybe it is time for those who can to head to Europe or China where they will sign big contracts that may or may not be honoured, drive by bus and deal with sub par medical treatment.

As Joni Mitchell sang "Sometimes you don't know what you got til it's gone."

This should go to a vote of ALL players- not the reps. There are many marginal players that desperately want to work- many only will have 3 or 4 years in the league. Miss one season you are pretty much done.

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: November 11, 2011 5:54 pm

Pacers rep Granger says deal is still no good

bye bye nba, bye bye milwaukee bucks and the gay owner herb kohl senator

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