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Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:14 am
 
Posted by Royce Young

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Michael Jordan has always been every players' hero. But right now, he's every players' enemy. He's the bad guy. He's the owner that's reportedly pushing hardline to a new level and trying to crush the players in every way possible.

Players that have revered him for years are now turning their backs on him. Why? Because Jordan once toed the line for the union famously standing up to Washington owner Abe Pollin during the 1998 negotiations.

And now Jordan's throwing that owner-speak back at the players. Which is why many have spoken out against His Airness. Stephon Marbury went so far as to call M.J. a "sellout." The latest to do it? Metta World Peace. Via TMZ.com:

"We're the same guys that looked up to Michael Jordan when we were kids," he said. "Same guys that wanted to fly like Mike and be like Mike. Even though guys are with different companies, they still love Mike. Love his sneakers and everything. Guys just felt like he didn't support us when we most needed him. He's an owner now, so I guess he's just on the other side."

Artest, who often says wild, nonsensical things, really broke down this Jordan thing better than any player has. It was honest, and true. Jordan has meant everything to so many current players and for him to now toe the line with the owners is really hurtful. They feel like he's betrayed them. It's understandable why Jordan has done it though, like Artest said. He's an owner now so he's going to do owner things.

Some players have called M.J. a hypocrite, but the truth is, he's just an owner. I don't know what's worse right now though.
Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 14, 2011 1:06 am
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

But here in Canada, I believe that if a company makes $100,000 and they let's say buy $20,000 in tickets, their writeoff comes off the top and that would bring their profit down to $80,000. Then they might decide to lease a Porche and write off another $20,000 per year. Even though the Porche is being used for personal and business use, the profit is now down to $60,000. Then maybe make a $10,000 contribution to a political party which they pretty much get a tax break at close to 100 %. So yes, here there is a tax incentive to purchase tickets: maybe not a 100% writeoff but still a writeoff. 

I live in Canada as well and I work for myself, I'm an independent contractor and I was partners in another business a long time ago. The "writeoffs" you're talking about aren't what they seem and don't save a business owner anywhere near what you're suggesting. RRSP's get you the full 100 percent in most cases so yeah, if you make 100 thousand and contribute 20 to RRSP's ( similar to 401k in the states) you would only be taxed on 80 thousand.  But other deductions like car leases, sports tickets, etc  aren't 100 percent deductible, not even close to 100 percent actually.   The only reason RRSP's are is because the government makes a fortune investing that money for guaranteed interest over a person's lifetime, and when you want to draw on that money they tax you on it......  charitable donations get a business a higher tax break then almost anything else, but once again it's overrated.

Think about what a write-off is and what it really accomplishes.   Let's pretend a business owner gets 100 percent write-off on donations, the company is still out 20 grand.  The only difference is they get taxed on 20 less... so if they are in a 30 or 40 percent tax bracket they pay the government 6 or 8 thousand less.   Why not just pay the government 6 or 8 more and keep your 20?

There is no real savings if you're a business owner, at least not using those methods.  If you can "employ" family members, friends, etc   then yeah, that helps a lot.   But it's pretty tricky... and if you get audited, you better have the answers. 



Since: Feb 6, 2011
Posted on: November 14, 2011 12:00 am
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

The Owners are greedy, hypocritical liars that would snatch a Dollar from their Mother's grasp on her death bed.
The one thing the Players CANNOT DO is save the Owners from Themselves!!
Stern is nothing but a $12 M/yr overpaid weasel of a Mouthpiece.
Reject the so called Deal - Tell the Ownerss to take a hike to Hell!



Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: November 13, 2011 11:23 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Magoo, I am in Canada so yes I don't fully understand American tax law.

But here in Canada, I believe that if a company makes $100,000 and they let's say buy $20,000 in tickets, their writeoff comes off the top and that would bring their profit down to $80,000. Then they might decide to lease a Porche and write off another $20,000 per year. Even though the Porche is being used for personal and business use, the profit is now down to $60,000. Then maybe make a $10,000 contribution to a political party which they pretty much get a tax break at close to 100 %. So yes, here there is a tax incentive to purchase tickets: maybe not a 100% writeoff but still a writeoff.

Regardless, even if only 30% of the ticket's value can only be written off as you suggest, it is still subsidized by the taxpayer. The game of course is to get yourself into the lowest tax bracket.



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:56 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Definition of a Hypocrite:
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

He is not a hypocrite. When he was a player he acted as a player, as an owner he acts as an owner. It is what it is.
He may be disloyal....but thats about it. This situation is too much drama.......What a bunch of queens. Not that there's anything wrong with that. LOL



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:30 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

The truth is MJ is a hypocrite. Considering what he said to Abe Polian 13 years ago there is no other word that best describes Jordan's hardline stance. It'd be one thing for any other owner to do this, but in MJ's case he most certainly is a hypocrite. Regardless of whose side you are on in the lockout Michael Jordan has displayed the definition of hypocrisy when comparing his past actions to current actions. As I've already made clear, MJ is a hypocrite, so why is it a news story when someone calls a hypocrite a hypocrite?



Since: Oct 22, 2011
Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:28 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

You obviously don't understand what you are talking about when you say "tax write-offs"... 

If someone makes 100K a year and pays $30,000 in taxes then a "written off" $1000 Expense still cost them $700.  If a business pays for tickets for an executive, the business pays for the tickets and it's a business expense.  Either way, the "write-off" is nothing like what you explained.   

Nobody is buying tickets on the taxpayers... so, stop embarrassing yourself if this is something you've been telling people.   



Since: Sep 25, 2007
Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:10 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Looks like you can't say KWAME BROWN either....




Since: May 18, 2010
Posted on: November 13, 2011 10:08 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

A healthy league with owners being able to pay their bills is better for the players.  Jordan is doing nothing wrong and for players to say that he is, shows they have a lack of understanding of the reality of the situation.



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: November 13, 2011 9:49 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Post NBA career a failure? What? Only the insane could really believe MJ's post NBA career was a failure if they looked at all the facts. This guy is easily making > than 75-100 million dollars a year in his post NBA career and is poor enough to own over 50% of the Charlotte Bobcats....He is an owner. Has he made a few suspect decisions? yeah. Has he had marital problems, yeah but can anyone call a person who is easily worth over a 3/4 of a billion dollars a failure? LOL

Ron Artest and all the current players can kiss Micheal Jordan's butt. He is as vicious and competitive as he always was and they expect him to be sympathetic to them and contribute to his own financial demise/losses.....they're idiots.



Since: Oct 29, 2010
Posted on: November 13, 2011 9:23 pm
 

Ron Artest says Michael Jordan betrayed players

Call it arrogance or call it confidence, but MJ is an owner now and that is the team he is on. He will fight to get the best deal for his team just like he did when he was fighting on the court for the Bulls. He has taken a stand so his team can win because that is what he has always done, as a player and now as an owner.Players only call it a sell out to insult, but if he was working for the players, the owners would then be the ones saying he sold out.


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