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NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

Posted on: November 14, 2011 1:57 pm
Edited on: November 14, 2011 2:11 pm
Posted by Royce Young

The National Basketball Players Association has decided not to accept or extend the opportunity to vote to all players after meeting for almost three hours in New York Monday to discuss the league's latest proposal.

"We've arrived at the conclusion that the collective bargaining process has completely broken down," Billy Hunter said.

Hunter announced the players have decided to file an anti-trust disclaimer against the league and its owners. The NBPA will be transferred from a union into a trade association. So really, this skips a step in decertification as the union is disbanded immediately.

"This is where it stops for us as a union," Derek Fisher said.

Fisher said it was a unanimous decision to file the disclaimer.

Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler and David Boies will represent players in anti-trust action against NBA. Boies was part of the NFL's legal process during the players' decertification.

In attendance were some heavy hitters like Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul. Many players were there and crowded in behind Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher for the announcement.

Because the players have chosen not to accept the league's revised proposal, David Stern has promised to present the players with the feared "reset" offer that includes a 47 percent Basketball Related Income split for the players and a harder "flex" cap like the NHL operates under. Basically, a deal that no player would be in favor of.

But the players have decided to completely blow up the talks. The negotiating process is no more as the union doesn't exist anymore. The battle now heads to the courtroom.

"The players felt they've given enough," Hunter said. "The NBA was not willing or prepared to negotiate."

Fisher concluded by asking the media to respect that this is a legal matter and that players cannot comment.

Before you dive off a ledge, this does not mean a season is lost. It's just the players' response to the league's ultimatum offer. Owners genuinely seemed to think the players were ready to accept this deal. But the players moving to this action has basically been a slap in the face to the owners' offer. I would assume the hope for the players is that David Stern reconvenes quickly with the owners and responds with another revised proposal that meets the players halfway. Hunter said they're filing this action in a few days. If they didn't think that the NBA would bend a little, it would've been immediate, you'd think.

The players are trying to make one last ditch effort to get a deal they can live with. They're furious the owners have refused to flex on the system after the players moved on the BRI. They're banking on Stern taking some egg on his face and coming back with a new, better offer.

If not, this is going to really start getting ugly. As if it weren't already.

This is day 137 of the NBA lockout.
Category: NBA

Since: Apr 30, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 8:29 pm

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

Ticket prices were going to go up anyway because the paycut wasn't enough of a paycut. Players just make way too much money. Thats why ticket prices have gone way up in recent years. Blow up the whole league start over and lower prices for tickets. If the league does go under and they have to start all over again that will happen.

Since: Jun 3, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 10:10 am

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

MR Pickemrite.... One question..... Do you really think the owners want the players to take a paycut and give you cheaper ticket prices? If you think that, then I have swamp land in Florida to sell you adjacent to the Atlantic Ocean. In fact, ticket prices are, were set to increase this year even with the players accepting a paycut. That's like your boss making you take a paycut but increase the price of Some people are soooo jealous of others in a better financial situation than themselves. You only have one life to live, so STOP worrying about what others are doing. Just make sure you got your circle of life in order. The ONLY way I would agree to a player deduction in pay is if the owners gave YOU THE FAN savings in cheaper ticket prices and apparel. But we all know that will never happen, well...with the exception of MR Pickemrite

Since: Apr 30, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 6:07 pm

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

NBA players should take a pay cut. They make way too much as it is. Ticket prices are way too expensive. Geedy hood mentality IMO.

Since: Oct 7, 2011
Posted on: November 15, 2011 1:59 pm

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

I'm not really understanding how the players are considered as being greedy since they're the ones who are locked out, and not on strike. How much money they make in relation to the average joe is irrelevant. If the players not accepting some of the demands of the owners bothers you, look at it this way. In relation to where you're employed, put yourself in the same scenario as the players. Knowing what they've already given up, and what the owners are asking for beyond that, what do you do ? How much responsibility should YOU be asked to take for your boss mismanaging his funds ? Especially when you've agreed to help him right the ship.

Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 1:55 pm

Battle of uneducated vs overeducated

They both deserve to go down in flames... However, why hasn't the players figured out a way to start their own league in about 16 cities? Take some retired players to coach, hire a management advisory group and play on their own with a 48 game schedule starting in January.





Since: Nov 15, 2011
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:02 pm
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Since: Oct 10, 2011
Posted on: November 15, 2011 10:14 am

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

The only people will benefit from this mess are the Lawyers. Great job!

Since: Feb 1, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 9:31 am

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

Everyone knows it, but no one has really mentioned it. The failure of the NBA to come to a deal is primarily from David Stern's arrogance, and the natural hot dogging arrogance of the players clashing.

If Stern hadn't given them a take it or leave it ultimatum, the deal probably gets done. The players just have too much pride to be sh**ted on, even if it was a fair deal.

Stern, I realize that you are winning you have a strangehold on the negotiation, but you don't have to rub it in the players faces like that. They're probably decertifying on principle alone.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 8:38 am

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

Everyone with an IQ over 100 knew the NBA was a bankruptcy waiting to be filed at the LAST CBA, when owners acted like Blind Santa Claus to players...The NBA told NBPA they couldn't afford the same deal next time, and Kessler and Boles started cooking up the recipe for geting rich on a lawsuit they can't win in court, but would be a winner for them financially, and told Stern so in February, 2010....and here it is.

The "representation" that Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher gave their NBPA members, is appalling.  Even though the simple issue was the NBA couldn't operate at a $300 million/year loss anymore, Hunter & Fisher NEVER spun it that way to it's under-informed was all about "blood" and "pride" and "principle", and the NBA not "giving anything back" and having a "plantation mentality", just stall and smokescreen...when in fact, there was NO chance players wouldn't have to give back money to guarantee the NBA a profit and stay afloat, all along. The only "tricks" were played by the players reps.

In the end, Hunter and Fisher rejected the last, best offer from the NBA, WITHOUT EVEN ALLOWING MEMBERS TO VOTE ON IT.

If anyone has negotiated in "bad faith" it was obviously the NBPA, trying to act on Kessler's scheme to get rich defending players in an anti-trust suit dragging on for years (and millions of dollars) that can't be won. It's effectively, black on black crime...Sabotage from within, from people supposed to be looking out for players. Agents and Lawyers have already shaken the players down, now they are working on the NBA itself. 

Hunter, Kessler, Boles, the NBA max contract players and agents, sold the NBA and 90% of the players down the river on a selfish ALL-IN poker bluff, where they had little risk themselves, but lots to gain. Derek Fisher was the players  face man- a perfect trusted face and Kobe's personal inside man, but even though Kobe said he would accept the 50:50 offer, he never got a chance to vote, did he ?

It's been a conspiracy all along. Kessler, Boles and the army of lawyers are the only people guaranteed to make millions now. Agents will bolt for other clients, being careful to keep in touch, just in case a miracle happens in 2 years and they get a judgement in their favor they can take 30% of. Hunter may get a pimps percentage under the table, and while they carve up the NBA Golden Goose for dinner, players are looking for crumbs, and owners are regretting their investment.

Since: Dec 7, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 6:29 am

NBA players announce they reject revised proposal

So, the owners lock the players out, in order to offer up some new contracts that are basically pay cuts. The negotiations break down and the union is voided.
Why don't the players just form their own league? Heck, just give me a couple of dozen guys and I'll take 'em around the college arenas...we'll be like the Globetrotters...

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