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Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

Posted on: November 25, 2011 10:11 am
Edited on: November 25, 2011 10:52 pm
Posted by EOB Staff.

It's the latest "maybe a season will be saved" day in the NBA labor talks, and we fully expect the rug to be pulled out like it has each time before. But to keep up with the developments today, our Buzz post will update with any and all developments. 

10:50 p.m.

  • reports that a source involved in Friday's labor negotiations says that there is a "genuine desire" to reach a deal on Friday.
  • reports that an NBA owner is "optimistic" that a new labor deal will be reached this weekend.
8:45 p.m. 

  • Ken Berger of notes that the two groups meeting on Friday do not include the antitrust attorneys, only the principal parties from earlier small-group negotiations.
  • reports that the NBA's Labor Relations Committee will have a conference call on Friday night after the day's meetings.. 
  • Yahoo Sports reports that discussion of "actual deal points" did not begin until nearly eight hours into Friday's meetings.
11:30 a.m. 

11:00 a.m.

  • Ken Berger reports that Kessler will not be in attendance, but will be "involved." That's still a great sign. Kessler's real problem was his interaction with Stern et al. His involvement in an advisory capacity is a good thing for the players, it gives them a strong voice who isn't concilliatory. But Quinn being on the forefront is a much better approach.
  • Ric Bucher of ESPN reported last night on SportsCenter that David Stern could give the players yet another ultimatum during today's meeting. Bucher reports that Stern could threaten to cancel the entire season if a deal isn't struck to save the Christmas games. 

10:10 a.m.

  • Ken Berger of reports that Derek Fisher will join the talks in New York Friday.  Fisher's presence could simply be a legal formality to avoid a "sham" argument from the league if they were just dealing with lawyers, or it could signal a desire to have a player rep in the room if a handshake deal is presented. 
  • And now for the bad news (I know, I know, it's like "Death Becomes Her," "Now a warning?"). Chris Broussard of reported Saturday night a list of the player's demands for this negotiating session. The players must feel that the threat of their antitrust lawsuit really has pushed the owners into a new state of reasonable discourse or at least shaken them a bit. Either that or they're high. Because's it's nuts. 
  • How about the big non-starter, an increase in max salaries, from 20 percent to 30 percent, and increased qualifiying offers for restricted free agents? It's like the players are just ignoring that nearly half of this ridiculous situation is due to the summer of 2010 and the power of players like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony. And raising the QO is a decent enough idea to not trap players into another year with a team, but as it raises salary amounts when the entire structure of the negotiation is geared at keeping costs as low as possible, it's hard to see this being anything the owners will move on. 
  • Now, some of the other elements the players want are doable. Broussard reports that they want increase on the mini-Mid-Level-Exception (MLE) which the owners have reportedly already softened on. The sign-and-trade for tax teams for the life of the deal is such a small deal affecting so few transactions that quite simply, not even these two collections of geniuses can blow up a deal for it. And the so-called "repeater tax" is a new enough concept to allow for some movement on both sides. If the max and QO elements are built to be face-savers, with the deal coming down to the MLE, sign-and-trade, and repeater tax, it's possible there could be enough room for movement. 
  • The last element Broussard reported was a higher MLE for non-tax teams than proposed, and a cap at 10 percent on the escrow payments. That's already a concession from the players, who last wanted an 8 percent cap. 10 percent was the reported target of the owners, so that should be doable. You know, like getting a deal back in July should have been doable. The MLE is likely a non-starter as well. 


Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: November 26, 2011 1:41 am

Let them play pickup ball and McWork

I wish the owners could just hire replacement players and teach the current players that they are not bigger than the game.  I have no sympathy for people with no college degrees who make no contributions to society other than to whine about their limos being late and complain that their multi-million dollar salaries aren't enough.  

Let them work the only jobs they are qualified for besides basketball: fast food.  Let them try to survive on $8 an hour.  Maybe they would start to realize what the real world is like for many of their core fans.  The average player makes more money in one year than the average fan does in a lifetime.  They don't deserve it.

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: November 25, 2011 11:42 pm

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

Once again i will believe it when i see David stern at the podium announcing their will be a season, HOW MANY TIMES has the nba screwed with us by stating we could get a deal done this weekend or we are close to a deal today? It would absolutly shock me if they saved the season, especially by christmas.

Since: Apr 26, 2009
Posted on: November 25, 2011 5:21 pm
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Since: Nov 25, 2011
Posted on: November 25, 2011 4:09 pm

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

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Let the owners and the players know that we are feed up! Boycott this season. The only way to let them know we are tired of hearing about their greed is to hit them where it hurts. Go to no games, watch no games. GO ON STRIKE.

Since: Oct 15, 2007
Posted on: November 25, 2011 11:26 am

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

It's now Nov 25th. There won't be a Christmas game and a 60 game season is almost out of the question. Meanwhile, the players continue to be unreasonable with their new "list of demands" and increase in max salaries in the 11th hour of negotiations. It's time to cancel the season already!

Since: Nov 24, 2011
Posted on: November 25, 2011 11:21 am
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Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 25, 2011 11:06 am

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

Material possessions like computers or laptops? Come down off your high horse, Joey Taoist. It was a joke.

Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: November 25, 2011 10:56 am

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

"...pondering Buddhist sayings.."
 Wow, once again the ignorance and failure to be funny is obvious. Buddhists shun material possessions and in fact, that's the 3rd Noble Truth(overcome selfish desires) which leads them down the 8-fold path to enlightenment. Kessler is the anti-thesis of that and to use that as a throw-away line is pathetic. In fact, it is just plain stupid and shows the lack of knowledge of history of the authors(s).

What would have been better is to invoke Taoist thoughts, which make someone clear their mind of all conscience thought. That would help Kessler immensely. Then and only then, can he find "the way."
Eye on Basketball? It should be shut.

Since: Mar 10, 2009
Posted on: November 25, 2011 10:56 am

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

Again, I say: give me a call after the first game tips off. Until then, it's just so much blah, blah, blah.

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 25, 2011 10:48 am

Lockout Buzz 11.25.11: Black Friday Push

The players are throwing wild demands at a board, knowing they'll never get them, just so they can later retract said demands and call it a concession. I wonder where they got that idea from (see: 35% BRI, hard cap, rollbacks on salaries).

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