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Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

Posted on: December 7, 2011 9:32 am
Edited on: December 7, 2011 4:04 pm
 


By Matt Moore

So there's kind of a lot going on right now in terms of Chris Paul. It's extremely likely that he'll still be a Hornet when camp starts Friday, and very likely that he'll still be one when the season starts on December 25th. But there has been such a deafening cacophony of intelligence (or absence thereof, depending on your view of the media) regarding who is in the Hunt for Paul, that we need to keep an eye on things.

Update 4 p.m. EST
Ken Berger confirms an ESPN report that the Warriors talk has cooled Wednesday afternoon because the Warriors will not include Stephen Curry in the deal. Which is odd since Curry is a point guard in this league and why would you need CP3 and Curry? Curry can play the 2, he's got the range to be sure, but it would be such an odd fit to have two primary ball-handlers. Meanwhile, the Contra Costa Times/Inside Bay Area.com reports that the Warriors are willing to take on Paul without an extension (or assurances thereof, if the Hornets will take Monta Ellis instead of Curry. Ellis is a fine player but he has $22 million left over the next two seasons and another $11 million in an Early Termination Option year for 2013-2014. Kind of a trick for the Hornets to take on that salary. 

9:00 a.m.:

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com reported Tuesday night that the Clippers had made a substantial offer, including a sign-and-trade for restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan, but that Eric Gordon was not included. 

Since then, the Warriors have gotten into the act. Here's the latest on the CP3 Chase.

Sports Illustrated reports:
But while Yahoo! Sports reported that Paul indicated the Clippers and Warriors could increase their odds of landing him long-term if they signed free-agent center Tyson Chandler, a source with knowledge of the situation said Golden State had not received that message. The Clippers, meanwhile, have no interest in signing Chandler, Pauls former teammate in New Orleans, because of their plan to re-sign restricted free-agent center DeAndre Jordan.
via Warriors, Clippers, Celtics lead race for point guard Chris Paul - Sam Amick - SI.com.

So if the Clippers aren't giving Gordon, and they aren't giving DeAndre Jordan... what exactly are they giving? Because Al Farouq-Aminu is one of my personal favorite young forwards, but he and Eric Bledsoe along with the Minnesota pick aren't going to get it done. The whole reason the Clippers are in conversations is because they have more to offer New Orleans, not because they're some power franchise, even with Blake Griffin. There's simply no way the Hornets sacrifice Paul for that kind of package, no matter how good the 2012 draft class is. At that point, taking the Knicks' offer might be better for the cap savings. The Clippers are going to have to step up if they want to get the best pure point guard in the NBA. 

Next up is the Warriors, and there's confusion about whether one of their guards is included as well. 

SI.com in the same link as above says that the Warriors' offer for Paul include point guard Stephen Curry, young big man Ekpe Udoh, and rookie Klay Thompson. But, much like a high-school drama, ESPN says... 
Sources said that the Hornets have actually been trying to convince the Warriors to part with Curry since before last season's trade deadline in February. But the Warriors could only stomach the inclusion of Curry if they knew Paul would extend his contract as part of the trade or at least commit to invoking his option for the 2012-13 season. According to sources, Golden State has received no such promises.
via Free Agent Reports - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN.

The issue here is that teams seem to not be aware that under the new CBA, the only way for Paul to get the most money and years he can is to opt-out and then re-sign. That's the only way for him to get the fifth year. It's going to require a leap of faith no matter what. If he goes to your team, and you win, then he re-signs. If you don't, then you need to go in a different direction anyway. But it's worth the shot. You're not going to get Paul with an extension. Not after the deal your owners pushed for. 

Meanwhile the Rockets keep desperately trying to worm their way into the conversation. They have the best talent. But it won't happen. From Yahoo:  
The Rockets would offer some combination of Kevin Martin, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, Patrick Paterson and draft picks. 
via Clips, Warriors, Celtics in Paul trade talks - NBA - Yahoo! Sports.

Dallas is also mentioned, which is interesting. Jason Terry and Jason Kidd would be $18 million expiring in 2013, and they could offer Roddy Beaubois or Dominique Jones.

No one wants to make the premium offer or Paul. This is the problem when this stuff gets leaked. The Hornets can't get a deal fast enough before teams exert leverage using the fact that Paul won't re-sign in New Orleans. It's an impossible position for them.
Comments

Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 2:47 pm
 

Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

Actually NYfan .. adding Nene or Chandler WOULD help em long term and short term.

In the short term, he's added to the veteran core that is already a contender.

Next year KGs and Rays contracts expire giving the Cs $31 mill to play with to add the new "1-2" punch

Nene or Chandler would be the mainstay at Center to compliment the current squad and the future additions after the Vets contracts expire.  And Rondo and his cap friendly contract, would be the guy feeding the rock.

If it's possible to pick up either in the new Cap era, then it's a no-brainer.  Also, Sheed's contract can be negated using the new Amnesty rule as well to free up more cap space.



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Since: Oct 12, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:17 pm
 

Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

He's not going to NY, Boston, probably not LA or ORL. Of the players offered above, there is really no 2-3 guys that can make up for Paul.
you do not know that, the player has ALL the power in these situations. The player will simply walk away next year if the team doesnt unload him.

-"there is no 2-3 guys worth Paul"
ofcourse not...

There were no 2-3 guys worht Melo either, Chandler is a 6th-7th man at best who looked better than that in the D'antoni system. Felton is a run of the mill, middle of the pack PG in the NBA, very serviceable, but lots of PG's would strive in this system. Gallinari was the only bonafide "starter" that left the Knicks in that deal....

if they were half of what you are saying they are, the Nuggets would have pulled off that trade in a heart beat, but they knew they were getting an "average" PG, a "second guy off the bench" and 1 guy who is a decent #3 scoring option and starter....all for one of the greatest players in the NBA who makes others better



 
I'm tired of all this "super team" Bullsh!t, all you hear about ever since Bron and Bosh went to the Heat is "oh i wanna play for that team cuz they have some superstars
1. get your facts straight, the first "current" NBA team to do this was the celtics a few years back who sold off a bunch of pieces to get 3 hall of famers altogether.

2. the only thing Lebron and Bosh did by going to play with Wade, is the same thing Garnett and Allen did, only they did it while they were young and could win multiple rings...

I personally have no issue with it...they were going to rot on their teams with no talent just Like KG and Ray Ray did until they were in their mid-30's and then hope and pray they could go to a contender and win 1.

3. The NBA used to have waaaayyy less teams, and the talent was loaded up on teams more, before the 80's era -ish. The teams who have 2-3 hall of famers have always won all the titles, look back on the past 35 years buddy...only difference is the talent is more watered down now, so the players can all be drafted to teams, they leave in FA



Since: Oct 12, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:07 pm
 

Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

If the Celtics were in any way serious about trading Rondo, they shoulda traded him for Deron Williams last year ... he's better than Paul

I would beg to differ, CP3 has had far and away a better assist/turnover ratio, which is pretty important for a PG. Paul literally just does NOT turn the ball over.

Secondly, Paul is a better shooter.

Third, Paul is a year younger, maybe not a huge difference, but 1 year means 1 more year of "prime" considering their current ages.

and Lastly, Paul had less talent around him in New Orleans than Williams did in Utah, and New Orleans went the deepest of the two clubs in the playoffs.


the CENTER position and rebounding is where the Celtics need to improve on.   And there's two guys in the free market that could make the Celtics favorites to win it all again .. Nene or Tyson Chandler.   Either of these guys would negate the length of the Laker forwards or any other team for that matter and instantly make the Celtics a much better interior team, thus making them the most complete team in the league.


I agree, Chandler or Nene would make them a 1 or 2 seed, no doubt about it. Although, neither are the typ of guy that coupled with Rondo are a move that helps long term...let me re-phrase...

they help, but rondo and Chandler or Nene is not a 1-2 punch.



Since: Feb 8, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:16 pm
 

Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

He's not going to NY, Boston, probably not LA or ORL. Of the players offered above, there is really no 2-3 guys that can make up for Paul. If there are the Hornets will shoot it down, they want half a team like the NY-Denver deal last year. Because they are in rebuilding mode when he leaves. NY traded all their good talented players away last year to get ONE guy. Paul wont get his way and get traded to NY. If he does, NO is effin crazy. I dont think LA will trade all their height either, ORL has some pieces and is a possibility, good way to keep D12 in town. I'm tired of all this "super team" Bullsh!t, all you hear about ever since Bron and Bosh went to the Heat is "oh i wanna play for that team cuz they have some superstars, i wanna keep up and compete with them". TOO BAD, NBA is a joke nowadays.



Since: Feb 10, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:13 pm
 

Chris Paul trade rumor round-up

If the Celtics were in any way serious about trading Rondo, they shoulda traded him for Deron Williams last year ... he's better than Paul and has a lot more character.   CP3 is a whiny little B who ala LeWrong Blames, cares only about himself.   He's a cancer and as a Celtic fan, I would not want this clown on my team.

Above aside, the CENTER position and rebounding is where the Celtics need to improve on.   And there's two guys in the free market that could make the Celtics favorites to win it all again .. Nene or Tyson Chandler.   Either of these guys would negate the length of the Laker forwards or any other team for that matter and instantly make the Celtics a much better interior team, thus making them the most complete team in the league.

Ainge needs to stop running around in circles over CP3 .. he's not worth the trouble.   And Rondo is signed to a very reasonable contract.  It just doesn't make sense.


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