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Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Posted on: December 19, 2011 1:10 pm
Posted by Royce Young

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(Cuban is at the 11-minute mark)

David Stern has already tried to wipe the mess of the NBA owning the Hornets and trading Chris Paul clean. He's tried to blame the frenzy last week on irresponsible journalists and outraged fans. He's tried to say that everything was on the up and up.

But with the report out of Houston saying that Stern lied and the same coming from Los Angeles, it's obvious that this isn't going away. Especially since Mark Cuban piled on a bit when talking to TMZ.

“David Stern owning a team kind of threw us all under the bus. You know, we went through a long lockout, and one of the things we were trying to gain was that small-market teams could have confidence they could keep their star players. … And within two weeks of the new collective bargaining agreement, the smallest-market team, which is owned by the NBA, threw up their hands and said, ‘We can’t keep our star player.’

“So it’s not about Chris Paul. It’s more about the fact that the NBA kind of gave up on the CBA before giving it a chance, and to me, that made them hypocritical, very hypocritical, and that didn’t sit well with me.”

Cuban already said that but just not in as strong a way last week. He talked about how star players have a system where if they stay in their current market, they can make the most money. And that was part of what the labor fight was over. He called the league hypocrites for given in so easily. Dan Gilbert sent an email to Stern and it's very likely that Cuban voiced his displeasure in the original trade as well. So he's not really upset about the veto, but more with the whole mess created by the NBA owning the Hornets.
“You would think the team owned by the NBA and run by the commissioner would be the first to stick it out, and they weren’t. And to me, it’s hypocritical, and they threw a lot of us under the bus.”
Wouldn't expect anything less than strong words from Cuban. And while he's not necessarily talking about the failed three-team trade, he is talking about the way the whole thing got handled. It was a mess and remains so. The NBA needs to find a new owner quickly before more of this happens. Because Stern's got at least three perturbed owners in Houston, Los Angeles and Dallas that didn't like the way this all went down.

Since: Aug 23, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2011 9:58 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Mark Cuban continues to show why he needs to own no more sports teams other then the Mavericks. Chris Paul would not sign an extension and he had no intention on staying in New Orleans. Period. So Stern did the best thing for the franchise in the long run and that is restock the team and set them up for the future. Which will make them attractive to any perspective buyers.

Cuban acts like owners can control players if their contracts run out. They can't. This isn't a plantation situation where owners are in control of slaves. Players can go where they want to go. It's called, " Free Agency".

Cuban is such an idiot that he didn't even take into account that his little crying and complaining about the Lakers has doomed any chance he may have had in bidding for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Dodger fans are Laker fans and I can tell you with confidence that Cuban's name is persona non grada in Los Angeles.

Since: Mar 2, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 9:42 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

This is the league where players control the markets at the end of the day, most players don't even want to be on multiple teams for multiple reasons (joke ownerships, playing in Canada, being stuck in crappy markets, not getting much chance to be on the ESPNs highlight reels, etc.).

You can keep a player in your market for a few years, just don't go acting like crybaby Dan Gilbert when they leave.  If you cannot understand how the NBA actually works now, that is your own problem to deal with.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 9:27 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

David Stern does not own ANY team...much less the Charlotte Hornets. If anything Mark Cuban owns part of the team because as it has been written..."the NBA owns the Hornets" and the NBA comprises of all the owners of the other NBA teams. 

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 7:52 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Royce, here is your conflict of interest. Not with Stern. With Cuban. Stern does not have a team throwing all its efforts to be $30M under the cap next year when Paul and Howard are free agents. No, that would be Cuban. Stern does not have incentive, while acting for the interests of the New Orleans Hornets, to keep Paul until the season ends and get nothing in return. That incentive would be Cuban. The conflict of interest is also really glaring from this writer. Why? Because he insisted that Stern was lying during the lockout about what issues were at stake. It had to rankle when the CBA supported every single one of the commissioner's statements. Finally the writer gets his scoops from the player agents. And the player agents are united in their hatred of Stern for negotiating a better contract for the owners.

Cuban has been here before. He has paid a six-figure fine for talking in ways that reflect badly on the league. No other owner is even close on the amount fo fines Cuban has paid. It is also laughable that Cuban is crying about being a small market team. With the league's highest payroll and the very large Dallas-Fort Worth Metro-plex to draw from this dog don't hunt, Mark. Frankly the fine coming for this rant is likely to eclipse the previous record fine that Cuban was assessed for spouting off. Under the bus? Defending champions thrown under the bus? Nobody is sorry for you, Mark.

Finally the commissioner of the NBA is not a conflict of interest to act for a team as owner. The league does not deny trades except in cases where the rules are broken. Trades are between owners (despite the disagreements boiling up, the owners are always the final decision makers.) Acting as an owner Stern determined that the trade proposed by Lakers, Rockets and Demps with the Hornets was a hosing by New Orleans. And it was. No player under 29. No top draft picks. No second-best player returning even though New Orleans sent out the best player. The trade would have been denied by my grandmother. Stern was right. The proof is in the resulting trade with the Clippers. Two top young players. One good veteran with an expiring contract and an unprotected draft pick next year that is almost certain to be in the lottery. This is better for New Orleans. Demps made a bad deal and his owner overruled him. Happens every year but usually not so publically.

Since: Mar 1, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 7:51 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Free agents should be allowed to leave, period. Nothing should be given in return. Then it's a trade.  Teams need better management. Build good teams and maybe the good playeras will stay. If they want to sign for less money to a large market team, that is their right. I applaud those that take less, distancing themselves from the greedy players. Stern did what he did, and it's over now. As for those that say they are boycotting the NBA,.. yeah right. Say that when the Heat come rolling into town.

Since: Jul 6, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 7:49 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

   Just looking at Stern by watching his physical postures, and experiencing Stern's personality and attitude through his "lectures" is disgusting to me. A little too much ethnic arrogance.
   A control freak who likes to impose his opinions on others.

Since: Feb 2, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2011 7:26 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Well ...... or to BEND and envelope? 

Such was the deal with the Knicks and Ewing.

The envelope had a hard, pressed  crease on it, and was tapped on the bottom of the barrel.  

A hard crease, not a small bend, which could happen to envelopes spun about.

Very obvious when one looks.

He who drew it out took a bit of time, but he found it. 

stern is WFFA ........

He has ruined the league.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 6:58 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

I for one am boycotting the NBA.  They've gotten their last cent from me and they've gotten the last of my time.  When Lebron left Cleveland that started it.  Then there was the lockout.  Now all this backroom BS. 

I hope Oklahoma City wins it all.   Durant seems to get it.  I think he'd be happy to stay there and beat on dummies like Lebron and Paul.   If you're the best player or one of the best players in the league you're going to get attention.  The ad deals will be there.  I don't care if you're in Cleveland or Miami.  Does anyone think Lebron got less offers from Nike, Gatorade and Topps becauce he was in Cleveland?  

Another thing that bothers me about these guys is they're worrying about careers outside of basketball.  Take Dwight Howard for example.  What has he done in basketball?   He's had some good seasons.   Helped get his team to the finals.  He's never won anything.  He's not the most dominating player in the NBA.  He's a lousy foul shooter.  He has a very limited offensive game.  He needs to control his emotions better so he gets less technicals.   There is definitely room for improvement.  Yet here he is saying he wants to go to LA so he can pursue an acting career.  How about being the best at the career you've already have. 

Stern is a pompous ass.  He wants the spotlight.  He thinks he should be able to do whatever he wants.  He's done more to ruin basketball, pro basketball than anyone.  I think they should contract the league.   If you have good teams in more cities you'll sell more tickets.  If the only teams that are able to compete are LA, Boston, NY and Miami don't be surprised when those are the only teams that sellout games. 

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 6:49 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Cuban cracks me up, yes hes correct on everything hes saying but he would also be the first person to take Chris Paul if he wanted to go to dallas. I guess its just funny to me to hear Cuban call somebody else a hypocrite.

Since: Dec 19, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 6:05 pm

Cuban: Stern owning team 'threw us under the bus'

Sorry, but that sounds crazy. There are trades and free agency for a reason, not just so stars can go where they want but so teams can fill holes as well. 
Historically big markets get bigger names because there is more to offfer them. There's more money and more fame. The NBA is fine with this because it makes them more money as well. If the Knicks, Bulls and Lakers sucked the NBA would lose so much money every year it would be reduced to NHL status in the states.

Instead, Stern needs to contract the league, make it 24 teams or so, that way every team will be good because single-stars in bad markets and teams, like Kevin Love, can join other stars in medium-well markets and teams, like Golden State, to make a contending team, like Golden State would be with Curry/Ellis and Love. This will create much better parity and stars will have less incentive to leave when their team can already compete every year and their city is already a decent-to-big market to support them,

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