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Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Posted on: January 19, 2012 11:31 am
Edited on: January 19, 2012 1:17 pm
 
 Danny Ainge says he'll consider "blowing up" the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce (Getty Images)

By Matt Moore

In comments which should surprise absolutely no one, Danny Ainge told the Boston Globe Thursday that he's prepared to blow up the Big 3 of Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce if they could find a deal which will help them transition into the next era of contention through younger players. The Celtics, who have yet to defeat a team over .500 and who snapped a five-game losing streak with a win over Toronto Wednesday night, have looked well past their prime. The team continues to insist it's a matter of conditioning and not necessarily age. But Ainge's comments clearly indicate that he's not willing to hold out until the Celtics' door has been slammed completely shut. From the Boston Globe:
Ainge said he would consider trades if they would net younger talent. He has maintained he does not want the franchise to go through a 10-year span of insignificance as it did following the departures of the previous Big Three of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish, who remained with the team past their primes.

"First of all it’s a different era," Ainge told the Globe. "I sat with Red (Auerbach) during a Christmas party (in the 1990s). Red was talking to Larry, Kevin, and myself and there was a lot of trade discussion at the time and Red actually shared some of the trade discussions. And I told Red what are you doing? Why are you waiting?

"He had a chance to trade Larry (to Indiana) for Chuck Person and Herb Williams and (Steve) Stipanovich and he had a chance to trade Kevin (to Dallas) for Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins. I was like are you kidding? I mean I feel that way now. If I were presented with those kind of deals for our aging veterans, it’s a done deal to continue the success."
via Ainge would consider Big Three trade - Boston.com

If you want to take anything of real note from these comments, it's that Ainge no longer has confidence and faith that this core can contend for a championship. That doesn't mean he's ruled it out, but it means that he's not completely comfortable with the core formed four years ago that sought multiple titles to the most storied franchise in the league (with apologies to the mighty Lakers), and to date have only brought one. That's one more than most players or franchises have ever obtained, but that's not the standard in Boston.

Paul Pierce seems to have very little lift or stamina, as evidenced by a pair of ugly missed layup attempts against the Raptors Wednesday night when Pierce was blocked by the rim. Pierce finished with eight points but did have seven assists vs. the Raptors. Meanwhile, Kevin Garnett has very little lift and is struggling for the first time in the are he has for so long dominated, defense. Ray Allen is still knocking down threes but even he of the ridiculous conditioning has shown the effects of age. It's hard to see this team improving on last year's progress which ended in a quick five games against the Miami Heat

Ainge is faced with tearing down the most successful team of his tenure, and trading multiple Hall of Famers who teams know have eroding abilities and who will likely not have the same motivation outside the warm, family environment of the Boston green, for young players and picks with which to build a new nucleus around Rajon Rondo with. Jeff Green was projected to be a part of that foundation, but his heart condition has left his career up in the air for the foreseeable future, and the Celtics have no other young assets. 

But that's not the only reason Ainge may not be able to get a deal done. The odds are strong the Celtics will go on a tear this season. They'll start playing better, get into better condition, start showing flashes of the old intensity on both sides of the ball. A few significant wins against top teams will create the urge for Aine to stay his hand. The problem is that defeating teams which may not honestly take them very seriously at this point in the regular season is drastically different from the playoffs, and after the brutal intensity of this compacted regular season, the Celtics simply may not have enough left in what is already a depleted tank to make a push once they get to the playoffs, having burned so much fuel just to reach the planet Postseason. 

It's an interesting question to ponder, if the Big 3 are broken up: did they fail? On the one hand, they validated all three of their Hall of Fame entry tickets with a championship, and in the age of free agency, one ring is rarer than ever. But this team had lofty expectations of a dynasty, and instead may walk away with just the one. How can you win a championship with a core, and make another Finals trip, and be considered a failure? The answer to that question lies with the legacy of the name of the front of their uniforms, and though history will judge them individually as giants among mortals, if this is the Big 3's last year together their legacy will be significantly less in stature than what we assumed it would be when confetti rained on them in 2008. 


(HT: SLAM Online)


Comments

Since: Jul 18, 2009
Posted on: January 19, 2012 11:18 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

WOW..SO MANY DUMB COMMENTS THAT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO RESPOND TO ...THE CELTICS RUINED THE NBA AND PAVED THE WAY FOR THE BIG THREE? FIRST OF ALL..GARNETT AND ALLEN WERE DEALT TO BOSTIN IN LEGITIMATE DEALS..GARNETT DID NOT EVEN WANT TO GO TO BOSTON AT FIRST, FOR ONE OUT OF LOYALTY TO THE TEAM THAT DRAFTED HIM AND HIS FEELING THAT IT WOULDNT REALLY IMPROVE HIS SITUATION. ALLEN CAME IN A DEAL FOR THE NUMBER 5 PICK IN THE DRAFT...AND EAC GUY ALTERED HIS GAME TO BE MORE TEAM ORIENTATED.AND NONE OF THEM WERE AMONG THE TOP TEN PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE WHEN THEY BEGAN PLAYING TOGETHER..THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT BACK THE NOW FORIEGN CONCEPT OF TEAM BASKETBALL....HARDLY ANYTHING LIKE THE ORCHESTRATED UNION OF MIAMI.. OR THE DWIGHT HOWARD SAGA..DOES EVERY COMMENT ON THESE SITES HAVE TO BE JUST A REFLECTION OF HOW MUCH YOU HATE A TEAM FOR WHATEVER REASON? PROBABLY A LAKER FAN WHO THOUGHT THE GASOL TRADE WAS FAIR AND GREAT FOR THE LEAGUE...WHO CAN I BLAST NEXT?



Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:54 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Oh, and who thinks one of these chumps is going to be traded to another team with a big 3, I could see Ray Allen going to Miami, or KG going to Chicago or some BS like that.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:49 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Paul Pierce should retire as a Celtic. They should trade Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Ray Allen still can play and has value. Garnett has nothing left. He can't even anymore. With Dwight Howard available what is Ainge waiting for? Allen is a FA after this season and Garnett could retire. The deal would work for both teams if the Magic can get a draft pick around the middle of the first round next year. Then combine that with a horrible season enxt year to get a top pick they would have more building pieces.

Don't take this the wrong way but I have a question for you.  What the hell are you talking about?   How is Pierce still a good player and how does he still have value?  Isn't he shooting like 38 percent or something like that ?  He makes a fortune and he's not half the player he used to be.   

Time for all 3 of these guys to go.  That being said I don't know how Ainge could convince even one team in the NBA to trade anything for these guys.   Pierce and Garnett are becoming more useless by the day, and although Allen is still a very good player he's a FA after the season so he's only a rental player for the stretch run and the playoffs. 

Maybe somebody trades something of value for Allen, maybe a contender or somebody that thinks they are a contender rolls the dice. But if the Celtics get more then a truck full of basketballs for Garnett and Pierce then Ainge should get executive of the year. 



Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:49 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Boston sold their soul to win the championship, so I hope they have 20+ years of mediocrity. I think they ruined the game by forming the "Big 3". They showed that a championship can be bought and paved the way for the BS Miami situation. Now were going to have 4 teams with their own big 3 and they will consistantly be in the top of the standings. Sure its good for those teams and their fan bases, but the even more teams will be hopeless now and I think the league will be hurt overall.



Since: Apr 5, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:46 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

I,for one,would like to see our GM quit TALKING so damn much,and actually do something to improve the team...he's the one who put this mess together! Garnett has very little if any trade value,Pierce's contract limits where you can move him...I think the expiring contracts of Ray Allen & J.O'Neal may allow  them to add a future piece,but short of moving Rondo (PLEASE DON'T!) not much in tradeable assets



Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:16 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

The Perkins trade was a huge mistake. Perkins going down in finals gave it to Lakers. Celts were a far better team that year.

Big Celts fan but Ainge is not the best GM. Once the banner was hung and then not won again that is when one of the three should have been shopped.

Windows are slim and you don't do it again you make a major change. I am not sure what value any of them really have they are all old. You can get picks for them to someone making a run but beyond that not much left in that tank. Ainge made some major mistakes to compliment the good moves.



Since: Jan 19, 2012
Posted on: January 19, 2012 7:37 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Right on gxpjim.   I love how Ainge talks about talking to Red like they were buds.   Larry Legend in a Pacer's uniform?  Blasphemy.  Trading Perkins was absolutely idiotic. 




Since: May 29, 2010
Posted on: January 19, 2012 7:22 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Anyone who thinks Ainge should be fired is delusional.  Ainge is the best GM is basketball- no one is a better drafter and judge of talent.  I love the revisionist history that makes Perkins into the second coming of Bill Russell.  I love Perk, and, yes, in hindsight, that was a bad trade, but the legend of Perkins has become ridiculous.  Perk was a tough guy and good low-post defender, but that was it.  The Celtics were not going to win the championship last year with Perkins- you could see the team running out of gas towards the end.  Perk wasn't going to change that.  And to all the people that say, "If only we had Perk in game 7 against the Lakers, we would've won."  The Celtics had lost 3 games that series WITH Perkins already.  You know how many minutes Perkins averaged per game in the 2008 finals- 14 minutes.  Let it go already....and the final verdict on this trade is not in yet.  Jeff Green is still with the team, so we'll see.



Since: May 29, 2010
Posted on: January 19, 2012 7:07 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

I've been a Celtics fan for over 30 years.  I like Paul Pierce, but the guy below who said Paul played all those years for losing teams and never complained once has a very selective memory.  Pierce whined and complained alot and even his relationship with Doc was very shaky in the beginning.  That said.  The Celtics are in a real bind.  The only teams interested in the big three are contenders and they won't have much to give back- maybe if you can get some crazy multi team deal going, but most likely you will not get anywhere near the value for these guys in return.  Garnett is untradeable due to his contract- yes it expires at the end of this year, but the team would still need to fit him in this year.  A team would need to clear so much space to bring him in that you would probably have to take back some really bad contracts in return.  Pierce and Ray are probably the most desirable and tradeable commodities, but you will not receive anything in return.  Start playing JaJuan Johnson for christs' sake.  He's quick and he can score.  This kid could be the steal of the draft.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 6:57 pm
 

Ainge says he's open to trading the Big 3

Paul Pierce should retire as a Celtic. They should trade Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Ray Allen still can play and has value. Garnett has nothing left. He can't even start anymore. With Dwight Howard available what is Ainge waiting for? Allen is a FA after this season and Garnett could retire. The deal would work for both teams if the Magic can get a draft pick around the middle of the first round next year. Then combine that with a horrible season enxt year to get a top pick they would have more building pieces.


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