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The Power Forward Generation

Posted on: February 2, 2012 5:47 pm
Edited on: February 2, 2012 6:57 pm
Love and Griffin represent the next generation of All-Star forwards. How great can they be? (Getty Images)

By Matt Moore

How good is Blake Griffin? How good can he be?

Is Kevin Love one of those guys you're going to look back and remember when he had trouble getting on the floor in Minnesota and laugh? (Wait, he already is that guy. OK, more so?)

Why is it LaMarcus Aldridge has never been an All-Star, but Chris Kaman has?

Are these guys you can win a championship with? Are these guys legends? What is it we're witnessing, here?

All right, we're 75 words in and already miles ahead of ourselves. Let's back up and start where any discussion of the greatness of current NBA power forwards should start. With point guards.


We're in the NBA's golden age of point guards. There have been amazing point guards before, and certainly great point guard eras. Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, and of course Magic Johnson, just to name a small handful. But the era we're currently in may top any before for overall talent. You have to go searching long and hard for a team without a quality starting point guard (as long as you're not starting with the Lakers). So it's easy to get caught up in debates over which is the best, in either conference.

But hidden behind that is a debate that began a year ago, has continued for the past 360 days, and which will be set aflame Thursday night as the starters for the 2012 NBA All-Star Game are announced.

Blake Griffin will be announced as the starter. He's certainly worthy of it.

Kevin Love fans will be outraged. They're going to have a point.

LaMarcus Aldridge will barely make the conversation. And that's a crime.

All three players have emerged as the best power forwards in the West and probably in the league. Blake Griffin is the reason the Clippers landed Chris Paul, the reason they are contenders for the first time. Kevin Love may be dealing with Rubio Mania, but he's still the man in Minnesota and the biggest reason the Wolves are within striking distance of a playoffs berth. And Aldridge, who was always passed over by fans for Brandon Roy and then twice for Greg Oden, is the rock holding Portland steady.

It's entirely possible one of them does not check in on Sunday, Feb. 26th, and that's more than a little bit insane.

But moving beyond the ridiculousness of the All-Star Game, the questions about each player and their long-term futures are more relevant. Aldridge is 26, entering his prime. At the moment, he's a better, more complete player than either Love or Griffin. But their ceilings are considerably higher, and even the question of which is better becomes complicated and sticky.

But are any of them legitimately "great" all-time players? Do any of them have the potential to be Hall of Fame guys? Where are they in that pursuit?

We're jumping the gun here, and we're well aware of it. Griffin is only 22 games into his second season. Love was only truly freed from captivity last season. Aldridge is just now entering his prime. There's no way to tell if they'll live up to potential, if they've peaked, if this is the best they'll ever be. We're exploring the question to give credence to the fact we have legitimately great players at this position, and to examine how great they really are.

For starters, let's look at some numbers. Let's start with this season's results for the three in question, plus Paul Millsap who is truly the dark horse candidate this season, and is only really held back by the number of touches he shares (Millsap has the lowest usage rate. I wanted to compare them to some truly great players that played in the same era so I took Dirk Nowitzki's best season -- the 2007 season which was simply incredible regardless of how it ended -- and had to basically pull one of Duncan's 2002-2006 seasons out of a hat.)

In short, Kevin Love looks pretty phenomenal and like he's on track for that. The stunner is that LaMarcus Aldridge would probably be right there if he were just rebounding a bit more. Aldridge is having his most efficient season ever, but his rebounds per game, minutes, and rate just don't add up. Without doing anything else of note, Aldrige suffers here.

But Love is really what shines in this comparison. His rebound totals are clearly boosting him along, but he's become such a terrific versatile scorer. And for a guy whose knock has always been defense, Love is in the 71st percentile in overall points per possession allowed according to Synergy Sports, and 81st percentile in post-up defense.

Griffin's numbers struggle, there's no question there. But how much of it is just youth? He's roughly 100 games into his career. Where does his start match up with the others on this list?

Now that is surprising. Griffin is top-two in points, rebounds, and assists per 36 minutes, and PER, true rebound rate, and assist percentage (those figures factor percentage of rebounds/assists of total possessions while on the floor) in those players' second years, and first in field goal percentage. Not bad, even when you consider the strange career arc of Nowitzki.

But numbers obviously don't tell the entire story.

There is a question when watching these players play if they're truly at that level. Blake Griffin is criticized for his lack of a mid-range jumper. Kevin Love isn't considered the kind of player you can simply get the ball to and ask him to get you a bucket, and his post offense is still a work in progress. They're obviously still forming their games, but the gap between those aspects and what people expect is enough to cause the question of if they will ever get to elite status.


Is Griffin simply a product of his dunks? There's no question that things like, say, Rest in Perkins this week put him on a different level from a cultural perspective. He's the most prolific dunker in recent memory, and Dwight Howard put on a cape with music. The problem comes when we start to fall for an overreaction to that from a critical perspective.

"He's just dunks."

That's a pretty significant fallacy.

Griffin's leaping ability to collect and put back offensive rebounds is something that cannot be denied. He's a solid passer. His post-game shows glimpses of what is likely to be an incredible array of moves along with the kind of natural touch that you need for a player down low. There's nothing physically wrong with his jumper that isn't correctable, and he's got range to the perimeter, even if he's going to it too much this season.

But it's the drives that will continue to be his bread and butter. He works in the pick and roll, but face-up, you need help to guard him. You just do. You had better bring a few friends. Griffin's explosiveness is largely unheard of, and that's the hidden secret to all those dunks. He's not capitalizing off of blown coverages. He's whipping around, over, through defenders to get to the rim. There will come a point where the hammering Griffin endures will take its toll. It's at that point he'll have to adapt, and whether that loss of explosiveness as he ages changes his game will factor heavily into his legacy.

But you cannot watch games like the two-game tilt for the Clippers against the Thunder and Jazz and not be aware of how he can take a game over. There are only a handful of players like that in the league, and it's that special, immeasurable quantity that really reveals why you have to consider Griffin not just one of the league's best players right now, but a legend in the making.


Kevin Love can get 30 points and 30 rebounds in a game. He's done it. This should not be overlooked. Being able to produce like Moses Malone is not something you find, even once in a generation. Love's game is a stat-magician's dream. But when you watch him, it's not the numbers that should impress you. It's his ability to make all the right plays.

Love isn't just a perimeter shooter or a guy who nabs the rebound from his own teammate (to be clear, he does a lot of that, too). He's able to measure whether to take the mid-range or drive. When to pass. His outlet pass remains a thing of absolute beauty. His understanding of the floor is something that sets great players apart from their peers. There's a reason Ricky Rubio manages to find Love in huge moments uncovered. It's because Love is crafty enough and able to understand the defense well enough to slip in that possession, catch, and shoot before the defense can react. He's got the range, to be sure. But he's also got the work ethic to improve and the mind to manage basketball. Does this make him among the all-time greats? No, but his rare combination of instincts and efficiency is going to get him there in a hurry.


And then there's LaMarcus Aldridge.

Neither Love nor Griffin have won a playoff game. They haven't been the man on their teams for a playoff team. They haven't endured the kind of misfortune the Blazers have suffered and navigated their way through it. Aldridge is a poor man's Duncan in a lot of ways. Consistent. Quiet. Rarely emotional, largely unnoticed and brutally efficient.

Aldridge doesn't light you on fire like Love or break you into a million pieces like Griffin. Instead he simply hammers you into submission, with mid-range jumper and post move after post move. It's his curse to have a more refined game, but it's also to his benefit. Maybe neither of the younger guns can fit so easily into a coach's gameplan. Neither is as dependable, and neither know how to confound a defense as well in big moments. They may get there, but to ignore Aldridge's excellence at this point in time is criminal.


And so it is, that while the debate over the best point guard alive continues (it's Chris Paul by the way; calling Derrick Rose a point guard is like calling an alien from Mars a citizen of Austin, Texas, they're both weird but that doesn't make it the same thing), the West is slammed with power forwards of past greatness and future legacy. But it's important to capture this moment, where we see the signs of both generations merging. Duncan and Dirk riding out the end, with Garnett fading out in the East, as Griffin sets the world aflame with a highlight reel and Kevin Love leaves you shaking your head.

But in the end, it may be Aldridge, underrated, largely forgotten, less dynamic and dominant and more proficient and capable, who goes the furthest this season of all.


Closing note: You realize this list excludes Pau Gasol (admittedly having a terrible season), glosses over Millsap who would be right there in this conversation if he wasn't sharing touches with 50 other bigs in Utah, and the wide array of superb small forwards in the West? Let's face it, the league is stacked right now.


Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 4, 2012 10:14 pm

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I can't agree with this era having the pest point guards out of any era before. The best era to me was the era that ended with Magic Johnson and continued to the end of Michael Jordan. That era had John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Anfernee Hardaway, Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Charlie Ward, Gary Payton, Mark Price, Stephon Marbury, Damon Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, Derek Fisher, Mark Jackson, Sam Cassell, Kevin Johnson, Tony Parker, and many others. Those guys are complete packages. They could play defense and score, and run the floor.

At the end of the Jordan era dribbling and shooting skills have become so horrendous that they embarked into the era of the Point Forward where guys like Jamaal Mashburn, LeBron James, and even Pippen at the end of his career had to become point guards, because the league had very few guys with fundamental dribbling skills.

Chris Paul is probably the only point guard int he league who has the complete tools.

Since: Mar 26, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2012 8:16 pm

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In fact, I just looked it up and the Spurs lost 4 of their top 6 scorers from the previous season in their 20 win season.  The year before all of their injuries they went 59-23, and 62-20 the year before that, and they did all this with basically the exact same roster that Tim Duncan joined 2 years later.  Tim Duncan joining this team might actually be comparable to Tim Duncan being drafted by the Lakers as they are right now.

Since: Mar 26, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2012 8:09 pm

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The guy below me is exactly right.  Duncan joined a 19 win team, but they were far from a 19 win team.  They had one of the best teams in the NBA every year, but it just so happened that the year before Tim Duncan was drafted David Robinson and Sean Elliot both got injured and were out for the season.  The Spurs were almost lucky that both of those guys got hurt.  They were always one of the top teams in the west before that, but they just didn't have quite enough to win a championship.  Once they got Duncan they had just enough to put them over the top.

This situation would be comparable to OKC losing Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant for the season, and ending up at the bottom of the league.  Then the next year grabbing one of the all-time greats at power forward with the #1 overall pick.  That would without a doubt put them at the top of the NBA for years to come.  As they are now they are definitley one of the better teams in the league (they do have the top record right now), but I'm not sure if they have what it takes to win a title. 

Duncan didn't make a bad team a championship contender, he made a very very good team a great team.  Duncan is still a much better all around player than Love or Griffin, but he probably should have ended up playing for Philadelphia or New Jersey (a situation much like Griffin and Love came into) where he would have had a much tougher time winning a championship.  It's possible that he never would have won one.

Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 11:39 pm

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HornsStampede, yes Duncan was the number 1 picl but remember the reason the Spurs got that pick, and why they were so bad that year was not6 because they had a poor roster, it was due to having a lot of long term injuries. As such you can't put the entire turn around as solely on having Tim Duncan (though it didn't hurt either eh).

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 9:57 pm

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Tim Duncan was the #1 overall pick.  He joined a 19 win last place team.

He turned a 19 win team into an NBA title by his 2nd year.  He never won fewer than 50 games or finished lower than 2nd place.

Duncan is the best defender of his era arguably at any position.

Love and Griffin are in a race to see who is the worst defender ever at the power forward spot.

They are hideously inept at defense.  Aldridge looks like Akeem by comparison.  He is merely average at defense.

Even Steve Nash thinks those 3 guys need to play some defense.

Settle down with these comparisons.

Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 4:31 pm

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OK, I figured it out that the author used the stats per 36 minutes (even though they didn't mention that was the statistics they were using).

Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 4:20 pm

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This article started out good but is statistically inaccurate. Was it to make Kevin Love not look as dominating against the others? Kevin Love has 25.3 pts. per game and 13.6 rebounds per game (he's been around those stats pretty much the entire year), I don't know where they got 23.1 points and 12.5 rebounds from (did they decide to use his season lows which lasted for maybe one game, and yet I don't think he ever was at only 12.5 rebounds a game). It is odd the author also mentions Love nabs a rebound from his own teammate, when a player is up in the air trying to get a rebound they aren't looking around while doing it to see if the person fighting them for a rebound is a teammate or opponent. Love is already as good as Duncan in his prime statistically and if he played on a team where he isn't the majority of the team he would already be considered a Top 5 NBA player. If he would've decided to become a free agent in late January and go to a great team in a big market this offseason he would be an All-Star game starter every year. The only thing Kevin Love doesn't trounce everyone on this list is in blocked shots. The author needs to edit this and use accurate statistics.

Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 4:05 pm

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interesting, but where is Zach Randolph? there's a reason Durant called him the best power forward in the game last year. Check Randolphs numbers. He's right there. Love should be first.....Z Bo second, and Griffin third. Aldridge after that....close.....and then Milsap.

Since: Jan 13, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 3:02 am

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I think there is a good chance that all 3 players will be in the hall of fame- serious injury aside. It's hard to judge Griffen and Love against Aldridge because LMA has been in the league longer and has developed his game. Right now he'as a more complete player than either Love or Griffen.

Griffen is the player with the highest ceiling and the liklihood of the shortest effective career because his game relies so much upon his athleticism. When that goes, he'll have had to develop a more technical game, and it's a question as to whether he will.

Love is smart enough to be efficient already and continue to improve. His lack of athleticism is his downside because it affects whether he'll ever be an effective defender.

Aldridge continues to work on his game and improve. He adds something new every year and he already carries a team. Right now his major shortcoming is that he's not a great closer. Some will talk about his rebounding, but when you have Marcus Camby and Gerald Wallace getting their share, there aren't that many to be had. Also with an uptempo style, Aldridge runs out on fastbreaks because he gets down the court faster than most big men. The style of play the Blazers play isn't as condusive to him crashing the boards. He has the ability to do it, but it hasn't been as necessary as it is for Love or Griffen.

In the end, I'll put my money on Aldridge. He's already ahead of the other two so they have to catch up. He's also pretty resiliant. I think his style will be conducive to a long and effective career. He'll be a hall of famer. 

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:30 am

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Get back to me when any of these guys wins an NBA title with 0 other superstars on the team.

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