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You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

Posted on: October 17, 2010 10:55 pm
Edited on: October 18, 2010 3:33 pm

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The first BCS Standings of the season are out.   For those who have only been using Pollstalker to check out the AP ballots up till now, let me direct you to the BCS+AP Report.  Each week, you can also use Pollstalker to compare how each component of the BCS (plus the AP Poll) ranks each team.  For example, you can easily see that Alabama is ranked lower by Sagarin than any other component, or that Florida is ranked highest by Billingsley at No. 20, or you could compare Boise State’s rankings to Oregon’s in the ten different systems.

As for the AP, Pollstalker tells us that Jon Wilner is the most extreme voter this week.  Nothing new there, but he outdid himself this week with 14 extreme votes and 5 near-extremes.  That means he only had 6 teams on his ballot that are generally in line with the other voters.  His bottom five teams (No. 21 – No. 25) are all lowest in the nation, in order:  Utah, Nebraska, Missouri, West Virginia, and Oklahoma State.  Sometimes being extreme can mean the voter is thinking more like the computers, without all the pre-season baggage that often comes with voters.  However, a quick check of the same teams in the BCS+AP report (Utah, Nebraska, Missouri, West Virginia and Oklahoma State) shows that Wilner would also be a very extreme computer.

Another AP trend this week shows a lot more teams getting a few votes.  Last week it looked like the top 25 might be getting more focused with only 32 teams getting any votes.  However, with all of the recent upsets, the voters are once again struggling to fill the bottom of their ballots, and 40 teams received votes this week.  12 of those teams only received one to four votes, including some of the upset-ers like Hawaii, Kentucky, East Carolina and Washington.

The Albuquerque Journal’s Greg Archuleta has been replaced this week in the AP Poll.  Rick Wright from the same newspaper is the new voter.   Archuleta was at the center of the issue a few weeks ago where a technical glitch caused the AP to count his previous week’s ballot by mistake.  According to the AP, that has nothing to do with the change of voters this week, which was made by the Albuquerque Journal itself.

Head-to-Head lines:

I’ll keep the Arizona over Iowa watch going, although it seems to be a stalemate.   37 of 60 voters still have Iowa over Arizona.  The worst offender is now Kirk Herbstreit who has BOTH Iowa highest at No. 6 and Arizona lowest at No. 21.  I can understand why a voter might have the two teams ranked closely in either direction.  After all, Arizona lost to Oregon State who just lost again on Saturday.  So maybe the Wildcats should be ranked lower.  However, Iowa hasn’t beaten a quality opponent yet, whereas Arizona beat…Iowa.  So, to me, as long as they both have one loss, Arizona should be ranked over Iowa, and if you don’t think much of Arizona…why would you think more of Iowa?  The Hawkeyes haven’t beaten a currently ranked team.  Again, to add some objectivity, 4 of the 5 unbiased (meaning, not including Billingsley yet) computers rank Arizona better, which I also take into account.  However, I put more emphasis on the head-to-head result because the computers don’t.  Even so, they still generally think Arizona is a better team regardless of the head-to-head result.

With South Carolina losing, it has straightened out the whole Auburn over South Carolina over Alabama conundrum.  Although, Bob Hammond is the only voter who still ranks Alabama over undefeated Auburn.

Enough old news… this week, 10 voters still rank Ohio State over Wisconsin after the Badger’s weekend win.  Mark Anderson of the Las Vegas Review-Journal is the worst of the group with a ten-place differential.  Being from Vegas, Anderson should certainly know that the 13-point Wisconsin victory more than accounts for the typical 3-point advantage given to the home team.  In fact, he didn’t even drop Ohio State from his previous ranking of No. 7 after the loss.  I wonder what needed to happen for Anderson to rank Wisconsin higher.  To the credit of the AP, they barely have Wisconsin over Ohio State in the overall poll, but the two other human polls (the ones used by the BCS) don’t.  If only we could get our hands on those ballots.  In the meantime, we’ll have to assume that there are even more Coaches and Harris voters who secretly voted Ohio State over Wisconsin.


Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2010 1:00 pm

You Can't Spell BCS Without BS

Deciding who is the best, and who is the champion by a poll guarantees that the teams with the most fans will always come out on top. It's a popularity contest. Nothing more, nothing less. Maintaining that this system is fair and unbiased in the face of all evidence to the contrary is demeaning to the game, the schools, and the fans. It only benefits the people holding onto the purse strings, and these people have nothing to do with the game itself. Their whole purpose is to milk the game for all it's worth, and steal as much as they can before everybody wises up...

Frankly, I hope Ivan Maisel gets his wish, and Boise and TCU face off for all the marbles. I'd be willing to bet there would be so much protest among the 'established football powers' that a playoff of some sort was created to make it as difficult as possible for Boise and TCU to ever return to the championship game...

Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2010 11:18 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS


Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2010 9:08 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

And you can't spell either of them without most of it being BS.

Since: May 28, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2010 8:37 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

Odd people.  To Vote OK 3X as much as OU, and vote OSU over Whiskey?  As I said, If Hawks beat Whiskey next week I take back some of my words, Stanford has best QB in nation and they lost to Ducks.  Think people.

Since: May 28, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2010 8:31 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

34% of poll speak vote OK and only 10 vote Oregon?  Where are you people from?  I think the
"West coast bias" is bull, but c'mon

Since: May 28, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2010 8:06 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

Whiskey should definitely be ahead of the Bucks:-- for now.  Don't forget they play at Iowa next week.  A win puts them in top 5.  A loss, back down to 20-something, and raises the Hawkeyes back over AZ teams.

Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: October 19, 2010 5:42 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

You weren't doing too bad till you jumped off the deep end with the wins over UW AND Mich St.  Sorry.. I can't just proclaim them winners of those two games.  Competitive?  I could give you that.. wins.. a bit too much.

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2010 3:26 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

I am going to defend Iowa.  You mention that Iowa has not beaten a team currently ranked in the top 25.  They have beaten two teams in the top 25(in either coaches or AP poll) on the date of their games.  Of course they fell out of the top 25 afterwards, they got an extra loss!  All Arizona has done since their matchup with Iowa has beat a terribly inconsistent Cal team with one good drive at the end of the game, lost to a three loss Oregon State team at home, and beat miserable Washington State.  What has Iowa done since the Arizona game: Outscored their opponents 107-31, beaten Penn State, whom are not the same as in the past but I think they could beat Cal and destroy Washington State, and Michigan whom every pollster was in love with because of their offense.  The bottom line is that Iowa has been a lot more impressive since that Arizona game and they felt they could have easily beaten them.  But the debate will be over after Iowa beats UW this weekend and MSU the following at Kinnick Stadium.

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2010 1:26 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

Badgering voters

<!-- Sesame Modified: 10/18/2010 18:54:58 --><!-- sversion: 6 $Updated: bjstubits$ -->With the BCS rankings out, there are now more polls to dissect. Gino Toretta gives his take on the first of the standings while J. Darin Darst takes AP voters to task who still have Wisconsin above Ohio State in

Looks like he's taking them to task for still having Ohio State still above Wisconsin, not the other way around.

Since: Mar 18, 2010
Posted on: October 19, 2010 12:34 am

You Can't Spell BCS Without CBS

If AL plays at USC again, I think AL wins more often not. If OSU play at Wisconsin at night again, I think Wisconsin wins again. Doesn't mean they should be ranked higher though since they all have 1 loss (although I would rate them higher right now). Wisconsin always plays OSU tough, they match up well, in fact beat the Buckeyes into submission this year, but they have trouble against other teams like Iowa, which OSU excels against.  Its week to week, if Wisky and the Cocks (who lost) continue(d) to win, they would more then likely surpass the 2 teams they beat.

Tough being a voter, glad I don't have to put myself out there....

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