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Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

Posted on: September 7, 2010 10:17 am
Edited on: September 7, 2010 6:14 pm
Posted by Chip Patterson

UPDATE (6:15 ET) - The Heisman Trophy Trust has issued a statement calling the Yahoo! report inaccurate.

UPDATE (3:30 ET) - Heisman spokesman Tim Henning told the LA Times, "The Heisman Trophy Trust has yet to make a decision, and until such time they do we have no further comment."

UPDATE (NOON ET)- ESPN's Chris Fowler just called into SportsCenter to claim that the Yahoo! report "is completely false."  We will continue to update this story as it develops.

athletic director Pat Haden publicly demanded that it be given back, but it is beginning to sound like Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush will have to give back one  of his most valuable pieces of hardware.

Tuesday morning, a Yahoo! report detailed reports from sources that indicate that the Heisman Trophy Trust is expected to strip Bush of college football's most prestigious individual award by the end of September.

Two sources close to the Heisman trust said the body’s investigation is coming to a close, and will ultimately concur with the NCAA's determination that Bush was ineligible during his Heisman-winning season in 2005. Because of that independent conclusion, sources said the trust will relieve Bush of the award and leave the honor for that season vacant.

The sources said Bush met with Heisman representatives last month at the New York law offices of Emmet, Marvin & Martin. The sources would not reveal details of that meeting.

The report continues to detail the investigation process, which was done internally by the Trust and took place over the last three months.  It also reports that Bush was given an opportunity to "impact the decision."

The NCAA has already ordered USC to remove all references to Bush from its sporting venues and promotional materials, as well as erase any statistics from games when he was ineligible.  The school has given back its copy of the award, but Bush has yet to speak up except for a brief apology to the school through Haden.

If the sources are correct, the ruling from the Trust would eliminate any possibility of the award being given to the runner-up, former Texas quarterback Vince Young.  Awarding Young the trophy was a suggestion that was supported by many, particularly Longhorns head coach Mack Brown.

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Since: May 16, 2008
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:35 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

As little as I liked the USC dynasty, totally agree with you. 

Since: Jul 28, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:31 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

Does anyone else feel that the wrong USC tailback is having his Heisman award vacated? If the Heisman stands for morality amongst many other things you would think the '68 winner would have his stripped before Bush's

Since: Aug 11, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:28 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

I was a college football player. And on scholorship. Is it tough? Yes. Incredibly. But rules are rules.  You don't break them just because you think its unfair. It is a choice you make to play football. And the possibility of things that come with it (i.e. injuries, toll, etc.) The money that these players make indirectly affect them, not just to the NCAA and Presidents. You win or do well, you get better facilities that affect the entire school, better professors because the revenue of the school is increased and they are able to pay better, the list goes on. The full ride scholorship is the main benefit. Regardless of sport. most Div 1 schools average for a four year tuition is somewhere close to 100,000 dollars and up. And most college students don't graduate in four years. to say they don't get anything is ridiculous. Glad they finally made it a point to stop such a high profile player. Maybe some greedy student-athletes will think twice before taking gifts next time. I would almost go as far as to say they should revoke his scholorship for that season as well and make him pay it back. That brings discredit upon your school. Wouldn't hurt his paycheck now but would help the school itself.  99% of high profile players in college could care less about a degree and thats the problem. Its just a step towards a paycheck they are inevitably going to get. If anything, most of these players ABUSE the college system. If anything they should put stricter guidelines on being a student athlete, this is why STUDENT is first in STUDENT athlete. Student first, athlete second. it's a priveledge not a right.  Everyone in college athletics pull some form of revenue for the school. Its not anyones fault why football is the most. Fans enjoy it and are willing to pay to see it. All it is is a highly successful business, but players do not need to be a part of it.  Trust me, I undersand the hardships of being a student athlete on scholorship, I remember too many times being broke as a joke and living off of ramen noodles. But that is a part of being in college. I was happy to just have my own vehicle. The point is people in this world need to stop pittying everyone. I swear, pretty soon animals are going to have more rights than some people because "they are helpless creatures that can't fend for themselves." Everything has "feelings" now. thats why this world is going to hell in a handbasket because people forgot survival of the fittest. "You can't take care of yourself? No problem, we'll do it for you."

Sincereley yours,
Apparent heartless american

Since: Jun 11, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:18 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

Pay for what! some agent gave his mom a house! tell me, what this has to do with what happened on the field, DiD he cheat on the field! make him pay for the house! the punishment out weighs the crime!    

Since: Jun 6, 2008
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:02 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

Seriously this is stupid.  So he accepted money, still doesn't make him a pro athlete.  Point is, there are hundreds of athletes every year that accept gifts under the table.  This is just a case of making a point which in turn makes it a circus.  Also, keep in mind that these players make the NCAA and the school presidents millions and millions of dollars every year but they don't see a dime of it.  You may argue they get a college education, but Football players get screwed the most since football is the biggest money making sport and they get the same benefit as the womans dive team full ride scholarship.  They put their future career and ability to move on the line with every play but yet they get the same per diem as the kid who swims 100 meters in a pool.  Point is that these athletes should be given a little more and who can blame them for accepting free things, would you turn it down?  I don't think so.

Since: Dec 13, 2007
Posted on: September 7, 2010 12:00 pm

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

But of course, if we can't get a birth certificate for the President of the USA why should a Heisman candidate be under any scrutiny? Always. Always always always always ALWAYS has to be one jackass who has to bring up Obama or something related.  Are you seriously comparing these two things?  REALLY?  Or did I miss it when someone openly ordered the political sandwich? Sheesh...

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 7, 2010 11:55 am

People! The Heisman is an amateur award!

By accepting the payouts, Bush was a professional.  Now do you understand why he shouldn't be allowed to keep it and never should have been awarded it in the first place?  A professional can't be given an award for amateur athletes, it doesn't matter if he was dominant or not.  Comparing this to PEDs and rationalizing it because the pay didn't help him on the field is ludicrous.  PEDs didn't make him a professional, accpeting the cash did.

Since: Aug 3, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2010 11:31 am

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

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Accountability Prevails!!

Its about accountability!  Fans have been for decades been arguing that players should not be held accountable for many of their improper decisions.   This lack of accountability or even honor in ones actions has badly damaged American Amateur & Professional sports. Our recent sports history is littered with the diminishing reputation of our sports, our sports legends, all the way down to our Youth Sports leagues.  Many have for years believed that the NCAA has no business trying to force young men to conform to their  set of rules. Or they argue that the rules are ridiculous and thus the NCAA should not be enforcing them. Now, we are to a point, where fans are making the same argument on behalf of professional athletes.

As a direct result of this thinking, many fans find it difficult to trust that the leagues aren't scripting the season, or that players aren't taking plays off, or that players aren't throwing championships, or that players aren't colluding with players on other teams while they are still signed with their current team. Is it any wonder given that their is a general feeling out their that your player or your team need not play by the rules, when players and owners are not held accountable for their transgressions.

This notion that players, coaches, organizations, should not be held accountable flies in the face of our heritage. We all make decisions-some good, some bad, and each of us should have to live with the consequences of those decicsions.  Bush, Coach Carroll, the USC AD, and many others made several conscious decision, that many would consider to be the wrong decision.  And after being caught, these same individuals consciously decided to say -Screw you NCAA, and your investigation. We will actively work to thwart any attempt you might make to find out the truth. We will bribe, lie, stonewall you at every turn. We can do this because the system is basically set up on the honor system, and as men we value our school, or our success more than our honor.

Yet, inspite of these facts, many wanted these people who acted without honor to escape any real accountability. The reasons differed , but the results would have been the same, USC, Bush, Carrol, and the rest should not be held to the standard most of us are held to.

Those that opposed this position hinged their opposition on the long held notion that people should be held accountable for the things they say, the things they do and the decisions they make, PERIOD.  And to stray from that principle is to put at a disadvantage those that felt the need to follow the rules. Those who argue against this notion, are the very people who have helped create an atmosphere where cheating at all levels is permissible.

We have players, taking performance enhancement drugs, we have little league coaches asking youth players to lie about the addresses, or age, or citizenship. We NCAA players being being taken to parties by runners , agents, or current pro players where they are enticed with sex, drugs, and fame to sign with an agent. We had the Amateur athletics, reclassify what a professional was so we could get professional athletes to play in amateur sports, we have players colluding to make super teams, we have players who have been trained by us to think they can get away with almost anything, even lying to under oath to Congress.

The NFL, in some regards is trying to make players conform to the rules of society, they still have a lot to do, especially on the front of PEDs. The MLB, is a joke, except for PEDs.  The NBA is a total joke, they made a conscious decision years ago to ride the coat tales of their stars. But when they made that decision, the NBA was rife with veteran leadership, most if not all of the athletes completed 4 years of college so the risk was small. But, today with so many of the stars being children when they enter the NBA and coming from a world that surrounds these children with adults who are not ethical, or believe that cheating is acceptable, the NBA is now at the mercy of these child stars.  Stars whose idea of of ethics was formed on the mafia-principled saying "Its not Personal, It's Just Business".  The NBA saw this coming but, incorrectly thought that these players would mature, but maturation does not happen just because you get older, their are countless examples of immature adults, ex Rodman. 

Maturation happens because children are exposed to quality human beings who set an example of how things should be done, and it is this example combined with an expectation that this young person should begin to act as an adult is what turns a child into a valuable member of the adult world. Being surrounded by parents, coaches, administrators, fans, that teach children to act poorly or even those that just permit it will result in a child that will act like a child even as an adult.

If we want a world, or just a sports world that we can trust to be above board, we must demand that the parties involved act with honor, and when they fail to do so, they should be held accountable, if for no other reason than to show the players that do act ethically that their actions are appreciated.


The Equalizer

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 7, 2010 11:24 am

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

Look, Bush knew the rules and he broke them anyway.  He should do the right thing and give the trophy back.  And it has nothing to do w/race; if Leinhart was found to have cheated, I'd say the same thing.

I completely agree that the sleazebag agents should be punished much more severely.  But the NCAA has little ability to do anyhting about that, short of reporting to the proper authorities, who can then either prosecute if criminal laws were broken, revoke licenses if they have that ability, or impose whatever civil penalties are available.  Maybe by publically embarrasing Bush, and by essentially making him nonexistent to USC, they are sending a message to players that you too will be cut off from your school if you cheat.  That's about all the NCAA can do.  Until our alleged political leaders force prosecutors to push cases involving agents--probably a low priority in this country given the other problems we have--or somebody makes the laws tougher to discourage the agents, this will continue.

And as for those who say the NCAA and universities make millions and its unfair, well, let me tell you something.  I am still paying student loans and will be for another 7-10 years, and there are lots of people in the same situation.  Anyone who tells you an education isn't worth it is a freaking idiotic moron, as I'm doing pretty well for myself (just not well enough to write a check for  the balance).  Those kids get something for free that is worth lots of $ to most of the country that a lot of other people would jump at in a heartbeat.  Now, not all of them use it, if Antoine Walker had paid attention at Kentucky (yes, they even learn at Kentucky) then maybe he would not have blown $110 million and been forced to file bankruptcy, but he was still handed the opportunity for nothing more than being able to throw a ball through a hoop and dribble it between his legs.   So please, don't give me the "they should get paid" argument.  The after-tax value of the scholarships they get are substantial.

Since: Aug 11, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2010 11:24 am

Sources: Heisman Trust to strip Bush of trophy

If they change the rules then it will be aloud. Point is he did it when it was illegal. if the rules change then it will no longer be illegal. Thats like saying scores in record books need to be modified because of the invention of the three point line. All shots taken past it need to be counted. Nope. He cheated. Did it affect his play on the field? Maybe. Whos to say the gifts he took weren't an incentive to play harder? Either way both school and player were at fault. Yes it does happen in most schools but at least they are catching some of them. Better some than none of all. That year Bush was the most convetted player. Sends a great message because if that high profile of a player isn't safe who is? love the decision.

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