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NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

Posted on: March 15, 2011 1:08 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

Oregon has recently come under fire for their connection to Will Lyles, who runs Complete Scouting Services. The NCAA sees Lyles as a "street agent" who steer players to certain schools, and began looking at Oregon after the school paid Lyles $24,000. The NCAA wants to know if LaMichael James and Lache Seastrunk chose Oregon on their own, or whether Lyles helped push them there, which would make him a booster.

And we all know that you can't pay boosters.

Still, as we've gone over on the blog before, Oregon is not the only school who has paid Lyles for his services. Another school that has used Lyles recently is LSU, paying him $6,000 this past December, and now it seems that the NCAA is looking at the Tigers as well.
Last week, two NCAA investigators interviewed Trevon Randle, who signed with LSU last month, about his contact with Lyles, according to a source familiar with the situation. In addition to Randle, an outside linebacker at Clear Springs High School in League City, Texas, investigators interviewed his coach, Clint Hartman, and Randle’s father, Raymond Edwards.
Hartman declined comment last week about his meeting with the NCAA investigators. But in January he told FOXSports.com that LSU defensive line coach Brick Haley accompanied Lyles to Clear Springs High last spring in a visit about Randle.
If Lyles assisted in or was involved in the recruitment of any player to LSU, the NCAA would consider him a booster and any payment to him would be considered a violation of Bylaw 13. The rule prohibits boosters from directing a recruit to a school.
NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn declined comment Monday about investigators conducting interviews about Lyles. She cited the NCAA’s policy of not commenting on current, pending or potential investigations.
According to Hartman, when he saw Lyles and Haley show up to one of his practices last spring, he told Lyles to go to the parking lot away from his players. He then would call Haley and tell him he didn't want Lyles anywhere near his team. Which didn't do much to keep LSU from landing Trevon Randle, as he'd announce his commitment to LSU in February 2010 after visiting the school for a junior day.

Randle says he consulted his parents before making the decision, and that Lyles is close to his father Raymond Edwards, and Haley who helped recruit him to the school.
Comments

Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: March 20, 2011 11:52 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

No Team SEC??? So I guess I must be hearing things when fans at Bowl Games/NCAA Tournament Games start chanting S...E...C...??? I just hope all you Team SEC folks are prepared to be associated with the absolute disgrace that is Auburn football in a few months. The oaks at Toomer's Corner will have a better summer than Gene Cheez-it and all this Ohio St stuff makes it even worse. The NCAA is looking to "prove" itself and Auburn is an easy target...all they got to do is pull the trigger. What better time to cripple a program than right before the season starts...its been done before and it will happen again...soon.



Since: Oct 9, 2006
Posted on: March 19, 2011 6:41 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

Lets all be honest - it has to be Kiffin's fault!!


Gotta love the canned Ducky response - "Actually he was a USC silent commit"

Nothing to see here.....



Actually he was a USC silent commit until Pete left which was late in the recruiting process. Oregon had been recruiting him for quite a while, even as far back as when Texas was still in the mix. He basically chose Oregon as almost a last best option after several schools pulled offers because of his lower junior and senior year production. It's easy to assume that Brown decided to back off Seastrunk because of Lyles but that may not be the reason. I'm curious as to who stirred the pot on this one. If I were going to jump to conclusions like so many people do on this board, I would say it's likely Texas is a bit butt hurt about plucking of talent from their state.



Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: March 18, 2011 11:16 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

There is no "Team SEC". What happens is that Big Ten and Pac-Ten posters take their shots at the SEC and when our posters defend the conference we're accused of being "Team SEC". That's what happens when you have a system where you need your opponents to look good in order to enhance your own team.



Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: March 17, 2011 10:49 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

I will "get over" Dick Satan when "Team SEC" goes away...at least my disdain for Satan is rooted in logic...can't say the same for the the band-wagon losers who foolishly support "Team SEC". 



Since: Dec 16, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2011 10:38 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

Mack Brown has consistently dropped the recruitment of top talent that is associated with Lyles.  Seastrunk in 2010, and Trey Williams in 2012.  That to me says alot about what is really going on with these allegations, and it has to be pretty damn shady.  Lyles stayed at Seastrunk's house in 2009 and became really close to the family.  Low and behold, Seastrunk chooses a school that paid Lyles for his services.  It is an absolute slam dunk that a player that is connected to Lyles goes to a school that has paid for his "services" in that year.  Regardless of what other offers are held.  That to me is enough to run these guys through the torture of investigation and figure out what is going on.

Actually he was a USC silent commit until Pete left which was late in the recruiting process. Oregon had been recruiting him for quite a while, even as far back as when Texas was still in the mix. He basically chose Oregon as almost a last best option after several schools pulled offers because of his lower junior and senior year production. It's easy to assume that Brown decided to back off Seastrunk because of Lyles but that may not be the reason. I'm curious as to who stirred the pot on this one. If I were going to jump to conclusions like so many people do on this board, I would say it's likely Texas is a bit butt hurt about plucking of talent from their state.




Since: Dec 16, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2011 10:27 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

Scouting service? Booster? Lyles is better described as a pimp. If Lyles receives money not for actual "acouting services", but for pushing and steering players to a school for cash consderation (which is exactly what he is doing), he is nothing more than a pimp. End of story. He is doing the same thing Cam Newton's dad did (allegedly), only Lyles has a lot more sons.

Really?? Based on what? Because a couple of the recruits he knew went to colleges that paid for his recruiting services? I wonder how many colleges paid for his recruiting services, how many recruits he was involved with went to colleges that didn't pay. Who cares if Lyles as a mentor may have said the obvious, that Oregon runs an offense that suits smaller faster backs? This is probably one of the most "who gives a crud" stories. They should probably just put just about every team in college football on probabtion because they are all doing this. I can see this amounting to a rules change but nothing more. No one is going to tell the NCAA that they were in the wrong because it isn't in anyonesbest interest. Not the coaches, players, or street agent. 





Since: Jul 12, 2010
Posted on: March 16, 2011 6:03 pm
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

Geeze people, quit pointing fingers.  Every major college football program is guilty of some kind of NCAA rules infraction.  Some are worse than others.  Some are just better at covering it up.  Do we need a biblical reference here such as SIN.  Big ones, liitle ones, but still, a sin is a sin. We all play in the same sand-box so lets line up and play some football.  Every coach is good at what he does, obviously, or he wouldnt be in that position to begin with.  One or two players does not make a team great, it is by far a team effort.  TEAM EFFORT.  No One knew that Cam Newton was going to have the kind of year he had, its just happened.  Nick Fairly played hard, some call it dirty play, some call it over aggressiveness.  Again, are your hands clean before you call someone elses dirty.  The only personal attacks should be directed to the scumbags that write for CBSSPORTS.COM, namely Dennis Dodd, but that is a different story for another time.



Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: March 16, 2011 1:09 pm
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

@Bama pride--Why would you come here and basically complain about someone showing disrespect to Nick Saban by then showing disrespect toward Les Miles.  I have nothing against Saban as he is an outstanding coach, but so is Miles.  Everyone needs to get over their issues, including LSUdabest and just focus on football. 




Since: Oct 26, 2008
Posted on: March 16, 2011 1:03 pm
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

LSUdabest...we all know that you got stuck with Lester the Molester when Saban left, but come on now, it's getting a little old.



Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: March 16, 2011 7:25 am
 

NCAA looking at LSU's connection to Lyles

The difference between 'Bama's Dick Satan and the schools that use Willie Lyles is, Lyles is a reimbursed-proxy and as such does the work that would otherwise land a school in trouble with the NCAA. Dick Satan thumbs his nose at the the NCAA because he DOESN'T CARE about "secondary violations"....that is a quote. He recently visited Heritage Hall High School in OKC and TALKED with Barry Sanders Jr. Then he brings Barry Jr. to a B-Ball game in Tuscaloosa and has Barry's face put on the jumbo-tron with his name in captions. The crowd responds by chanting WE WANT BARRY.  In response, the impotent NCAA looks the other way and the reputation of the SEC takes yet another hit...


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