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Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

Posted on: March 31, 2011 1:12 pm
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Oregon State president Ed Ray is in something of a unique position when it comes to the Jim Tressel brouhaha at Ohio State. As a former vice president and provost in Columbus, Ray was one of the Buckeye officials who hired Tressel away from Youngstown State and knows Tressel personally. But as the current president of the NCAA's Executive Committee (the committee which oversees changes to NCAA's byzantine rulebook and bylaws), he's also heavily invested in seeing the NCAA's standards and rules upheld.

So it carries more than the usual weight when Ray opens both barrels on Tressel in an interview today with the Oregonian:
"I just thought the world of him ... " Ray said. "I would assume he's certainly been a very positive influence on many of the players that he had. But this whole episode to me is beyond the pale. It's totally unacceptable ..."

The NCAA has not yet ruled on Tressel's transgression, and Ray emphasized that he was speaking for himself only. But on how NCAA enforcement officials might view Tressel's case, Ray said, "If I were in their position, I'd be a hanging judge."

He continued: "I think there are lines you don't cross in your own life.... I'm not a big mercy guy. I'm not a big understander of extenuating circumstances. We all sort of engage in thinking about situational ethics. But I'm kinda old-school. And I think you're either ethical or you're not ethical."
As Ray himself points out, his opinion is not necessarily an opinion shared by the NCAA colleagues who will ultimately decide Tressel's punishment fate. And Ray's personal disappointment with a man he clearly respected a great deal is also likely coloring his remarks.

With that said, Ray also remains representative of the type of academically-focused officials who populate the NCAA and will be on the committee reviewing the Tressel case. If his response to Tressel's transgressions are even remotely similar to those shared across the NCAA, that five-game suspension could be the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Comments

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: March 31, 2011 9:13 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

In Europe, we don't get all the "in's and out's" of the situation at Ohio State

Thankfully, the US still has a bit more integrity than the cesspool known as Europe. With the exception of Germany (ironic given their history in the first half of the 20th century), European countries are still trying to live off the "glory" days of their imperialistic empires, conveniently forgetting that those empires were largely achieved by slave labor, exploitation of other lands' peoples and resources, and cutthroat competion amongst themselves.

Sorry to go off-topic, guys, but I am sick of people who think European countries are so superior to the US, when we keep bailing their butts out.

Back to the original thread: Like it or not, the NCAA will have the final say in Tressel-gate. The rest of us are just bystanders.



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 8:42 pm
 

Wow, Mr. Ed Ray throwing stones . . not right!

In Europe, we don't get all the "in's and out's" of the situation at Ohio State . . but the general concensus is the proverbial "mountain out of moehill".  Everyone is under a microscope for various reasons . . and the 'whistle-blowers' must be gaining something from this.  Mr. Ray, in a subjective way, has no right to comment as he has . . and, certainly, he doesn't have all the facts.  He must have "thought the world of him (Tressel) for some significant reason . . and now thinks less, for some other unapparent reason.  The media is taking this beyond the normal bounds . . whether there is knowledge of wrongdoing or not, it is not the business of a university president to put in his 2 cents on a public platform.  What skeletons might be in his closet . . ?



Since: Mar 31, 2011
Posted on: March 31, 2011 8:41 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

If the NCAA doesn't do something to coach Tressel kick him out at Ohio State then they have a double standard.   If what they did to Kelvin Sampson and what they are going to do to Bruce Pearl and they don't something to Tressel then they need to waive what Sampson and Pearl as done.  Terrelle Pryor and the other players should not have been allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl.  But we all know it is about money and the Sugar Bowl people wanted the Ohio State Quarterback to play so their TV rating would be high.  NCAA should make Ohio State forfeit the game and take away the money they got for playing in it and Tressel should not be coaching in college football.
Jack H



Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:55 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

I wasn't going to get involved in this as I could care less about Ohio State but I do think a lot of people are mixing up Oregon staet Beavers with the Oregon Ducks based on some of the comments I am reading. hate the ducks and love the BEAVERS! Out!



Since: Jul 24, 2007
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:50 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

You've got your blinders on there Duece don't you? it doesn't work that way in the real world. Ask Bruce Pearl. Lie to the NCAA and get caught and you will pay. It's that easy. It's not about how nice a guy Jim Tressel is, it's about the sanctity of the NCAA rule book. I don't agree with it, but since my coach and team are judged by it, and follow it's rules, so should THE osu. Tressel lied to the NCAA. It got Bruce Pearl fired, even after Self Imposed sanctions. The same thing should happen to Coach Tressel. It won't because of the Money that OSU football brings in. But it should.

As for bringing in Coach Cal just to feel better about yourself and your program, what are you thinking? The case isn't at all similar and whether Calipari smells like poo or not, you'll have to be the judge of that. He wasn't found guilty of lying to the NCAA. He had infractions that caused two Final Fours to be vacated, but that's it. How would you feel if somehow, THE osu won the National Championship and because of Tressel it was vacated? I think you'd be more of a hater, than the haters you seem to call everyone else, because you're school is too cool. Try to remember, Tressel brought this upon himself and the osu. No one told him to withhold anything, or to lie about anything, it was his doing. Your "good man" and big time coach is a liar, plain and simple.






Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:48 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

I, am an OSU fan.  And I, am embarrassd by this whole mess.  I had faith in Coach, and I was let down.  I thought he was perfect, but he's not.  I guess I should have known.... he is a human being.  Like me, he is flawed.  He lied to an NCAA committee, who must be the most powerful judges this side of Heaven. 

I have tried to look at this with unbiased eyes, but I cannot.  After much deliberation I have determined this:  Big freaking deal.  He lied, just like every other coach at every other program, in every other sport.  I heard that the coach for the XXXXXX swimming team lied about the tightness of the swimsuit for a certain swimmer.  Unbelievable.  I am disgusted.   How dare they do that.  Seriously people... quit trying to make this bigger than it is.  He tried to say that he forwarded the email at his original press conference, and Gene Smith cut him off.  He tried to tell the truth.  So Gene and the powers that be already knew about that.  Big deal.  Do you think, that a man that has presented himself as a good man, a good coach and a mentor who cares about his players for the past 10 years, is just a fake?  A habitual liar who is posing?  They have already cleared the Maurice issues and every other issue up to this point... that is history.  But it sounds so good to rehash it while he is in the midst of this, right?

Just forgive him for messing up, and quit trying to take down a good man who is the coach at a big time program.  That's really what it's all about... it's OSU, not some small school.

Let us focus on Coach Cal.... how does he weasel out of vacating 2 final fours and a championship game, without smelling like poo?  Just curious.
You keep saying big deal, but it wouldn't be such a big deal if Tressel and to some extent Ohio State hadn't made it so. It's not so different from the Watergate burglary which ended up being a much bigger deal than it should have been and eventually sank the US President. Do you not understand this? What compounds it is the hypocrisy of having a coach that supposedly has high morals lying and covering up his lies.

The only reason Tressel still has a job at Ohio State is because he has been a winner. That's it. He would've been fired already if his boss had a spine.

You should do a little experiment- try doing something that is against the rules of your company, then lie to your boss about it. Make sure you break a rule that will get the company in trouble, not just you. Then, come back and tell us how long it took you to get another job after you were fired. All the better if you are currently a manager of some kind; I wouldn't count on getting a similar job if I were you.

Last thing- let's not focus on Coach Cal. Saying, 'Yeah, we made a mistake but this other person made a bigger mistake', is for children and cowards. I believe the NCAA already made their decision about Calipari, and you want to try him again, before they've even finished with Tressel? Great, let's just keep trying people the system exonerated until they're found guilty. Anything to avoid taking down the local hero, eh?



Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:48 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

How come when teams get caught, fans of that school always pull out the "everyone else does it" line??






Since: Nov 28, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:48 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

NOW THAT"S WHAT IT ALL ABOUT! THE GOOD FOLKS AT OSU WANTED CAM OUT AT AU; SCHOOL PRES. LOOK BEHIND YOU NOW IT'S YOUR COACH WITH INTEGRITY ISSUES. CAUGHT TROWING STONES NOW YOUR GLASS HOUSE IS UNDER ATTACK.



Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:44 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

OHIO STATE SHOULD FIRE HIM. PERIOD. NO QUESTION MARK. AND AS FAR AS NCAA GOES... THEY SHOULD LOOK AT THIS FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS . A UNIVERSITY IS CAUGHT RED HANDED CHEATING ACCORDING TO THE RULES. FORFIET THE GAMES AND LOSE SCHOLARSHIPS AND PUT ON SANCTIONS



Since: Nov 18, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:42 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

This type of behavior from Tressel doesn't surprise me at all. I have always known that he wasn't that good of a man. I know from experience that he has no character. I was in the stands the day he needlessly run up the score in a semi-final game of the NCAA division 1AA championship. Youngstown state was on their way to a 5 point win all they had to do was snap the ball and take the victory pose and let the last 5 seconds of the game run off. Does the characterless Tressel do this? No, he has his quarterback stoop like he is taking a knee, then he rises and throws a touchdown pass to add on to the score. Very classless especially since Youngstown was the road team.  It was a playoff game not like they needed the points for the pollsters. Not only was this classless but he kept all of his starters in the game while Eastern Washington University had cleared their bench to let everyone get to play. Now Tressel  again proves that he has no character.


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