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Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

Posted on: March 31, 2011 1:12 pm
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Oregon State president Ed Ray is in something of a unique position when it comes to the Jim Tressel brouhaha at Ohio State. As a former vice president and provost in Columbus, Ray was one of the Buckeye officials who hired Tressel away from Youngstown State and knows Tressel personally. But as the current president of the NCAA's Executive Committee (the committee which oversees changes to NCAA's byzantine rulebook and bylaws), he's also heavily invested in seeing the NCAA's standards and rules upheld.

So it carries more than the usual weight when Ray opens both barrels on Tressel in an interview today with the Oregonian:
"I just thought the world of him ... " Ray said. "I would assume he's certainly been a very positive influence on many of the players that he had. But this whole episode to me is beyond the pale. It's totally unacceptable ..."

The NCAA has not yet ruled on Tressel's transgression, and Ray emphasized that he was speaking for himself only. But on how NCAA enforcement officials might view Tressel's case, Ray said, "If I were in their position, I'd be a hanging judge."

He continued: "I think there are lines you don't cross in your own life.... I'm not a big mercy guy. I'm not a big understander of extenuating circumstances. We all sort of engage in thinking about situational ethics. But I'm kinda old-school. And I think you're either ethical or you're not ethical."
As Ray himself points out, his opinion is not necessarily an opinion shared by the NCAA colleagues who will ultimately decide Tressel's punishment fate. And Ray's personal disappointment with a man he clearly respected a great deal is also likely coloring his remarks.

With that said, Ray also remains representative of the type of academically-focused officials who populate the NCAA and will be on the committee reviewing the Tressel case. If his response to Tressel's transgressions are even remotely similar to those shared across the NCAA, that five-game suspension could be the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Comments

Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:31 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

The SELF IMPOSED PUNISHMENTS THAT have been given to the players and Tressel, IS OVER THE TOP!!


Why because you say so. The NCAA wont see it that way.

The rule - players cannot sell their possesions.  
Punishment for broken rule
1)Players are repaying for their sold items
2)not retaining possesion of their PRICELESS POSSESSIONS
3)Sitting for 5 GAMES!!!!!

This was deemed ok by the NCAA, crime fits the punishment in their eyes...for a first offense.

Coach ---
The rule - Coach must forward any possible NCAA infraction onward
Punishment
1)MONITARY PUNISHMENT OF $250,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats more money then 99% of the world makes in a year!!
This Monitary Punishment fits no rule that was broken
2)The Coach is not going to coach 5 GAMES


What else is missing?
To the player or the coach?

Ok here is where you dont have all the facts right. Sure he forgot or did not tell the NCAA about the offenses. This became a major offense when he signed his compliance report in August or September. He has to verify he knows of no rules violations prior to a season. He lied about it and played players that were(in the eyes of the NCAA) ineligible. Green committed the same offense as the tat five last season and he got four games. Why did he get four, because his coach turned him in and they handled it with the NCAA.
 Then he led the NCAA on, in December when they found the offenses and did not tell them then, he instead called for an internal investigation. So you can see now that its not just a five game thing for Tressell, it has evolved into Major infractions that could spell time on the NCAA cooling block for tOSU.

P.S. I am not a hater, just someone hoping for the truth to finally be told and justice to be done in a very public case with a man who supposedly preaches INTEGRITY. All I can say to him is walk the walk pal.



Since: Jan 13, 2007
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:31 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

Here we go again....on many sports radio shows there are who have talked about this incident,many of them speak very highly of Jim Tressel and acknowledge he made a terrible choice,and some have slammed him too,....but here in this site all you hear is negative things thrown at OSU and their coach...it's without a doubt this site hates Tressel and OSU and I'm not sure why,people are growing tires of this story and don't care about OSU,they care about their favorite school or team.......this is old news,can't these reporters find anything else to write about with all the spring practices opening up,unless your a Buckeye fan why would care to keep reading about this story?



Since: Jun 29, 2010
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:15 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

OSU should get the same, if not worse, than what was handed to USC last year



Since: Jan 17, 2009
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:08 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

I love the fact that Oregons president makes a comment that he would be a hanging judge for the NCAA!

Really?  Is this type of infraction considered major?  That would deserve such attention?

The real issue is that no US LAW or STATE LAW was broken by the players.  And no US LAW or STATE LAW was broken by Tressel. 

The NCAA Rule that was broken IS A JOKE TO ME AND EVERYONE I HAVE SPOKEN TO (HERE IN THE REAL WORLD)

The haters are loud, and self righteous, but are FULL OF THEMSELVES!

The SELF IMPOSED PUNISHMENTS THAT have been given to the players and Tressel, IS OVER THE TOP!!

What ever happened to the days of letting the punishment fit the crime?


Anyone? 

Players -----

The rule - players cannot sell their possesions.  
Punishment for broken rule
1)Players are repaying for their sold items
2)not retaining possesion of their PRICELESS POSSESSIONS
3)Sitting for 5 GAMES!!!!!

IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU HATERS?????????????

Coach ---
The rule - Coach must forward any possible NCAA infraction onward
Punishment
1)MONITARY PUNISHMENT OF $250,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats more money then 99% of the world makes in a year!!
This Monitary Punishment fits no rule that was broken
2)The Coach is not going to coach 5 GAMES


What else is missing?
To the player or the coach?

SADLY  All you haters are trying to blame an entire university for a NCAA rule, that was broken, and punished!
WHERE DOES IT END PEOPLE!!!!








Since: Feb 22, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 6:07 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

I, am an OSU fan.  And I, am embarrassd by this whole mess.  I had faith in Coach, and I was let down.  I thought he was perfect, but he's not.  I guess I should have known.... he is a human being.  Like me, he is flawed.  He lied to an NCAA committee, who must be the most powerful judges this side of Heaven. 

I have tried to look at this with unbiased eyes, but I cannot.  After much deliberation I have determined this:  Big freaking deal.  He lied, just like every other coach at every other program, in every other sport.  I heard that the coach for the XXXXXX swimming team lied about the tightness of the swimsuit for a certain swimmer.  Unbelievable.  I am disgusted.   How dare they do that.  Seriously people... quit trying to make this bigger than it is.  He tried to say that he forwarded the email at his original press conference, and Gene Smith cut him off.  He tried to tell the truth.  So Gene and the powers that be already knew about that.  Big deal.  Do you think, that a man that has presented himself as a good man, a good coach and a mentor who cares about his players for the past 10 years, is just a fake?  A habitual liar who is posing?  They have already cleared the Maurice issues and every other issue up to this point... that is history.  But it sounds so good to rehash it while he is in the midst of this, right?

Just forgive him for messing up, and quit trying to take down a good man who is the coach at a big time program.  That's really what it's all about... it's OSU, not some small school.

Let us focus on Coach Cal.... how does he weasel out of vacating 2 final fours and a championship game, without smelling like poo?  Just curious.

Keep hating, haters.

With posters like this do you really not understand why people are piling on. Cool




Since: Dec 27, 2010
Posted on: March 31, 2011 5:37 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

Only if that attorney happens to be Tressel's attorney.  Doesn't apply just because he's someone else's mouthpiece.



Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 5:36 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

I, am an OSU fan.  And I, am embarrassd by this whole mess.  I had faith in Coach, and I was let down.  I thought he was perfect, but he's not.  I guess I should have known.... he is a human being.  Like me, he is flawed.  He lied to an NCAA committee, who must be the most powerful judges this side of Heaven. 

I have tried to look at this with unbiased eyes, but I cannot.  After much deliberation I have determined this:  Big freaking deal.  He lied, just like every other coach at every other program, in every other sport.  I heard that the coach for the XXXXXX swimming team lied about the tightness of the swimsuit for a certain swimmer.  Unbelievable.  I am disgusted.   How dare they do that.  Seriously people... quit trying to make this bigger than it is.  He tried to say that he forwarded the email at his original press conference, and Gene Smith cut him off.  He tried to tell the truth.  So Gene and the powers that be already knew about that.  Big deal.  Do you think, that a man that has presented himself as a good man, a good coach and a mentor who cares about his players for the past 10 years, is just a fake?  A habitual liar who is posing?  They have already cleared the Maurice issues and every other issue up to this point... that is history.  But it sounds so good to rehash it while he is in the midst of this, right?

Just forgive him for messing up, and quit trying to take down a good man who is the coach at a big time program.  That's really what it's all about... it's OSU, not some small school.

Let us focus on Coach Cal.... how does he weasel out of vacating 2 final fours and a championship game, without smelling like poo?  Just curious.

Keep hating, haters.



Since: Sep 23, 2006
Posted on: March 31, 2011 5:29 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

IMO, Tressel is protected by the attorney/client privilege since the email came from an attorney.  All converstations are private.  If anything, he violated that by sending it to Pryor's mentor.


Did you get your law degree at the Outlaw State University?



Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: March 31, 2011 5:13 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

Outstanding post!!



Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: March 31, 2011 5:13 pm
 

Oregon St. president: Tressel 'beyond the pale'

This is a difficult situations for OSU posters on this site. They have been banging on the SEC for years as cheaters (justified) as an excuse for their poor performance in bowl games (unjustified). This isn't about selling odds and ends anymore. This isn't about exceeding practice limits (still boggles my mind). This is about lying to an NCAA investigation when you have direct knowledge of an infraction.

Not only should the NCAA come down hard on OSU, but, they will. The only thing that could mitigate the penalty is if Tressel steps down in the near future. I think this more likely than most. Otherwise, the penalties will be more severe than USC's.

I am definitely not a fan of the OSU institution or its fans but I feel bad that an aura of respectability in the BigTen has been pierced. Michigan (please don't bring up the practice time "violations"), Penn State and Nebraska will have to carry the torch forward.

The BigTen needs to stand above the SEC in terms of standards, not stoop down to their level.


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