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Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Posted on: June 20, 2011 10:13 pm
Edited on: June 21, 2011 10:00 am
 

Posted by Adam Jacobi

One of the more unsettling storylines to come out of this offseason has been the possibility that Oregon may have been paying large sums of money in exchange for high-level recruits. In particular, the school's athletic department paid $25,000 to Willie Lyles, a talent scout with close connections to superstar running back recruit (and eventual Oregon signee) Lache Seastrunk.

Lyles denied any wrongdoing, of course, and Oregon asserted that the $25,000 was in exchange for general recruiting information and was in no way used for the purposes of steering a particular recruit to Eugene or anywhere else. This explanation seemed to pass the smell test -- no school would leave a paper trail for such an illegal act, right? -- and as a result Oregon hasn't been drawing nearly as much national attention as, say, Ohio State thus far this spring. Also, as it turns out, Lyles' company, Complete Scouting Servicesdid provide Oregon with scouting reports on numerous recruits in the spring of 2010. Non-story, then, right?

Well, tiny problem. According to The Oregonian, Lyles' information was already two years out of date by the time he sold it to the Ducks:

A national recruiting package purchased by Oregon in February 2010 that included the player profiles for 140 players with the heading “Player Profile 2011” is made up of virtually all 2009 high school graduates.

Further, although the service was billed as a “national package,” the vast majority of the players are from Texas. Forty of those profiled are from Houston. Of the five from outside Texas, two were from South Carolina, and one each from California, Oklahoma and Louisiana.

Amid the documents released by Oregon related to the football scouting services inquiry were 140 recruiting profiles of high school players under the heading “2010 National High School Evaluation Booklet." Above each individual profile, however, reads “Player Profile 2011.” The related invoice cites the "2011 National Package."

The full report itself is available here (opens in new Google Docs page)

It's important to note that Oregon has not given any statements about what information was requested and when it was received, so until that's known there stands the possibility (remote as it may be) of this being a clerical mixup that was later rectified to Oregon's satisfaction. There's no evidence to suggest that as yet, though, and there most certainly is evidence that there's some funny business going on here.

So let's ask the question again: why did Oregon really pay Willie Lyles $25,000?

Comments

Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 6:42 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

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Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 28, 2011 9:07 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

First, you're right, they're not forced to do it.  Of course, if they don't, many of the upper crust talent doesn't get into college, likely ending with them working menial jobs or incarcerated.  Second, the upper echelon of Roman Gladiators were treated like "gods" by the masses, but they were prisoners/slaves as well.  Putting their health (or life in their case) on the line in order to please a bunch of bloodthirsty individuals while getting none of the monetary compensation.  So, the next time you hear an announcer refer to these college kids as gladiators, you can remember this history lesson I gave you.  Hell, nowadays, even interns get paid.



Good grief.  College football players are nothing like Roman Gladiators.  That comparison has no more validity than the comparison to the slaves during colonial days.

And they receive compensation.  6-figures+ over 4 years. 

Announcers also compare players to soldiers fighting a war, but I don't see IEDs blowing them up as they are doing a 10-yard out.

Finally, thanks for the history lesson....though it was not needed.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 27, 2011 5:57 pm
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

You, and everyone who does, should be ashamed comparing what those endured 150+ years ago to what college football players 'endure' today.  College football players are not forced to do anything.  They have choices.  On top of that, they are treated like gods from the time they step on campus.
First, you're right, they're not forced to do it.  Of course, if they don't, many of the upper crust talent doesn't get into college, likely ending with them working menial jobs or incarcerated.  Second, the upper echelon of Roman Gladiators were treated like "gods" by the masses, but they were prisoners/slaves as well.  Putting their health (or life in their case) on the line in order to please a bunch of bloodthirsty individuals while getting none of the monetary compensation.  So, the next time you hear an announcer refer to these college kids as gladiators, you can remember this history lesson I gave you.  Hell, nowadays, even interns get paid.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: June 27, 2011 11:27 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Quick Answer.  The NCAA
I don't care about the opinion of people who condone modern day slavery.
Are they forced to play football?  Your statment is an insult to slaves everywhere.  Freak.  I don't care about the opinion of a mentally unstable individual.



Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 27, 2011 9:17 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

I don't care about the opinion of people who condone modern day slavery.



You, and everyone who does, should be ashamed comparing what those endured 150+ years ago to what college football players 'endure' today.  College football players are not forced to do anything.  They have choices.  On top of that, they are treated like gods from the time they step on campus.

Boohoo that they can't sell their rings for tatoos and Gucci bags.



Since: Oct 28, 2008
Posted on: June 27, 2011 9:07 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

It looks like Oregon paid 25000 Lyles just to get a recruite then are trying to cover it up. If theres smoke there is a fire. Just put Oregon on 4yrs probation and no bowls games. That should help clean up their program.Tere most certainly is evidence that there's some funny business going on here. No wonder Oregon gets good players at 25000 a pop you can get a lot of good players.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 26, 2011 9:34 pm
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Quick Answer.  The NCAA
I don't care about the opinion of people who condone modern day slavery.




Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: June 26, 2011 8:53 pm
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Quick question.  Who cares?


Quick Answer.  The NCAA



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: June 26, 2011 1:48 pm
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Quick question.  Who cares?



Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2011 12:29 am
 

Oregon's $25,000 recruiting info badly outdated

Did the Ducks cheat? I really don't know. If the article has all of its Ducks lined up (pardon the pun) then as they said in Hamlet, something is rotten in Denmark. They pay $25K to a scouting service, but the man seems to be a recruiter given the closeness to the player and his family. The Ducks get nothing for the $25K, except they do get the player. Now if the player was from (say) Kansas, I might readily understand that he would be looking to go somewhere other than K. or K. St. But this player is from Texas. He can chose from Texas, Texas A&M, maybe Texas Tech, and certainly Oklahoma. You would think his family would get to see him play more often if he stayed home so to speak. But he chooses Oregon and it's hard to convince me that Lyles had nothing to do with his choosing Oregon. And the information passing and payment made seems too convenient if I understand the timeframe.  It's sort of like you only get the $25K if you deliver. I would have thought if Oregon was purchasing data only, the amount would have been much less, and there would have been some initial payment for the services. Are you telling me Lyles is a scouting service that only provides info to one school, OREGON?
I would want to see what other schools he delivered the so called data to, and the dates of those deliveries. What did he charge those schools for said data? One might ask if the Ducks were duplicit, complicit, or just lucky.


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