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If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Posted on: July 1, 2011 6:49 pm
Edited on: July 1, 2011 7:17 pm
 

Posted by Adam Jacobi

As reported earlier, controversial scouting service owner Willie Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that he received money from Oregon to indirectly steer recruits to Eugene, and that the infamous obsolete scouting report was sent in order to make the $25,000 payment appear more legitimate. Lyles also told Yahoo! that he met with the NCAA in March, and that he withheld details at that meeting that he would later reveal to Yahoo!.

Oregon's options at this point are simple: dispute heavily Lyles' version of events, or fire head coach Chip Kelly.

If Lyles isn't telling the truth, obviously, that's not Oregon's fault, nor should it necessitate any discipline for Kelly. That said, Oregon had better be on the offensive about that right now, and have a paper trail to back it up. Simply repeating that Oregon doesn't think it did anything wrong isn't going to fly anymore -- not with Lyles' statements out there and the litany of NCAA violations possible here. Lyles said what just about everybody was thinking -- that the "scouting report" was a sham, and that the money was really for some sort of indirect coercive influence -- and he's got the ambiguously worded cards from two different Oregon coaches (including Kelly) to back it up.

That all said, the existing evidence as of right now paints Kelly and Oregon as brazen flouters of NCAA rules, to the point that the best thing Lyles said about recruiting arrangement was that he wasn't directly influencing the prospects' decisions. That appears to be a distinction without much of a difference, however. Look at what Lyles said about getting five-star RB recruit Lache Seastrunk to Oregon:

Lyles said Oregon's assistant director of football operations, Josh Gibson, had direct knowledge – and played an ancillary role – in Lyles helping [...] Seastrunk petition to have his grandmother, rather than his mother, sign his national letter of intent with the Ducks in February 2010. Seastrunk's mother, who expressed opposition to her son about attending Oregon, otherwise could have blocked the signing.

Lyles then says outright that it was an indirect but pivotal role in getting Seastrunk to Oregon, but... that sounds pretty direct. And as for the amount of influence was involved here, Lyles basically says outright that Oregon went around the wishes of Seastrunk's mother. To see Seastrunk not only calling out Alabama head coach Nick Saban at Toomer's Corner while being recruited by Auburn in 2009, but still talking fondly of the Tigers in the lead up to the BCS Championship Game, it certainly appears that a significant amount of work was put into getting Seastrunk to Oregon instead of Auburn. Whether that was legal work is for the NCAA to decide.

Here's how bad the situation is for Oregon: the best argument Kelly and the Ducks can make is that the $25,000 couldn't have been used to land Seastrunk and the other recruits, because if there's one thing the Cam Newton ($180,000) and Patrick Peterson ($70,000) situations showed us, $25,000 is far below asking price for even one high-profile player. And they'd be right. It still doesn't answer the question of what the $25,000 was really playing for, though, and that's the question that may derail Oregon's program and Kelly's career right as both were getting good. 

Comments

Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 5:19 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

I did read the entire post my friend, I just didn't think I needed to comment on the "THE SOURCE IS QUESTIONALBE, KELLY IS BEYOND REPROACH" defense. How did that defense work out for Tressel vs. the tattoo shop employee?


I don't wish ill will to any program outside of the SEC or FSU, lol, but I cannot accept blantant cheating by anyone. Oregon has deep Nike pockets, so the temptation is there, and this sure looks bad to most none Oregon fans. If I was an Oregon fan, I'd be mad at my school and my coach right now, not making excuses.  



Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 3:09 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Ah, I see Oregon fans are adopting the Ohio State technique of "everyone is doing it, we are not the worse ones." Poor defense Ducks.
First, will I do suspect that Auburn paid to get Newton, to date, there is no proof of this, yet. Same for Peterson.
Here, we have a smoking gun, big big difference.


gator1066 - You should have read the whole post. I, and I believe most Oregon fans would rather run a clean program and be at the bottom of the PAC12 than win by cheating. Until now I am under the impression the Kelly has run a clean program and is a stand-up guy. Proof being the way he deals with players that have strayed form the straight and narrow. IMO Lyles integrity is the one to question at this point. If proven wrong I will be the first to admit it.



Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: July 3, 2011 2:34 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Sorry, Adam, but the evidence available mostly shows just one thing: Lyles is a conniving money grabber and a vendetta seeking incompetent in the field of college scouting. Lyles did have personal knowledge of a handful of athletes. In order to turn that knowledge into money he started a scouting service. No foul there as dozens have gone before him to do the same thing.

Where the story gets off track is that Lyles was not professional in his qualifications or duties. He succeeded in contracting with at least three schools as a scouting service. He provided tapes (received from others) and verbal reports plus a detailed spreadsheet of recruits - mostly in Texas to both Oregon and Cal. He was paid for a year in advance to deliver these items and to provide access to those student athletes through his scouting. However, Lyles neglected to prepare detailed documentation of what he provided these schools other than the tapes and spreadsheet. He also assisted athletes who had made their school decision to be able to enroll in that school.

What Lyles was not, according to his own story, was an Oregon booster. He did not care anything about Oregon (but liked their money). Of the players he counseled, only one, Seastrunk. choose Oregon. Yes, Lyles helped Seastrunk to get permission for his grandmother to sign his letter of intent. But that was after the choice had been made by the player. No evidence that Lyles steered the player to Oregon. What Lyles also did was dummy up work product and send it to Oregon when the expectation by Oregon was that he had legitimate recruiting records to copy and send. This did not appear to be a cover-up because Oregon had already received and paid for the year's service and only wanted to prove it.

The smoking gun here is Lyles, Unfortunately he is so far underwater, by his own sleazy story, that his credibility is utterly lacking. What he attempted to do was blackmail Oregon into continuing to pay him for inferior work product. Oregon declined and Lyles went off, determined to attack. When you look at the motive for Lyles to say anything it is only revenge. It is sad because if he is believed, he likely will be accused and tried for criminal conduct. It is not Oregon that is in trouble but Lyles who likely needs to get a real job. Oregon was negligent in not getting documentation as the year unfolded. Lyles was negligent in not developing what he was being paid for. Neither rises to the level of a recruiting violation and no, Chip Kelly does not deserve to be fired.



Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 1:56 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Ah, I see Oregon fans are adopting the Ohio State technique of "everyone is doing it, we are not the worse ones." Poor defense Ducks.
First, will I do suspect that Auburn paid to get Newton, to date, there is no proof of this, yet. Same for Peterson.
Here, we have a smoking gun, big big difference.  



Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 12:06 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Here's how bad the situation is for Oregon: the best argument Kelly and the Ducks can make is that the $25,000 couldn't have been used to land Seastrunk and the other recruits, because if there's one thing the Cam Newton () and Patrick Peterson () situations showed us, $25,000 is far below asking price for even one high-profile player. And they'd be right. It still doesn't answer the question of what the $25,000 was really playing for, though, and that's the question that may derail Oregon's program and Kelly's career right as both were getting good.


As with most Duck fans we first want the truth. And second a clean program reguardless of sanctions. I'd rather go back to being the bottom of the Pac than cheat our way to the top. This is not every other school in america, this is Oregon.



Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 2:21 am
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

big difference here is ohio state has been big time for along time and tressel has a great reputation. he lied, he covered up the lie as did kelly. so who cares if oregon gets set back 10 years smu was handed the death sentence. cheaters are not rewarded but penalized. cheater belong out of the game lairs to not belong in the game. so he is gone oregon  will be penalized and  sanctioned and they move on.



Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 2:13 am
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

sounds like the bsc bowl should be renamed the FRAUD bowl. both auburn and oregon have proven that cheating at all cost is now the method of winning. embarrrasing though oregon only paid 25k cheap based upon big bukc paid for newton's dad's church.



Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: July 2, 2011 10:37 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

wow. what is going on here at Oregon is potentially the WORST THING SINCE SMU.

Jim Tressel didnt lie and cheat and directly PAY to bring players to columbus. he lied about knowing about violations after that fact - on violations 99.9% of americans think are crap rules about players selling their own stuff (an NCAA rule made by idiots a court would never uphold if ever challenged). and players doing stupid things after they got to Ohio State to trade on their name isnt as bad as paying players to go to a school - let alone ORCHESTRATING IT. THere is ZERO rules broken on the cars, and the tattoo scandel is  a closed deal. so that leaves pryors benefits allegations - but NEVER anything about his recruiting.

Pete Carroll at USC's situation is worse than Ohio States because USC flagrantly told the ncaa to go to hell for 4 years and nEVER cooperated despite lat claims (4 years later) that they did - only becuase the NCAA got what they needed from court documents that forced USCs hand. so carroll ran away before the piper came calling and usc had to fire its athletic director. but the money involved with Bush and the free homes etc were far worse, even if only about 1 player, than anything goign on at ohio state because USC didnt cooperate like Ohio State is - they flicked their middle finger at the NCAA for 3 years and the NCAA cut it off.

Now at Oregon if this is true is worse far worse - and should lead to massive massive massive sanctions - something close to the death penalty but not hte full death penalty. are you kidding me - Kelly and the Athletic department KNOWING and ACTIVELY PARTICPATING IN THE PURCHASING OF PLAYERS? Mulitple top flight players? IF TRUE (has to be proven) the KELLY should be banned from coaching or ever setting foot on a college campus, and Oregon needs to vacate all of 2010 due to James involvement, all players on roster should be given opportunity to transfer immmediately, and oregon should have massive scholarship reductions and bowl bans for up to 3 years MINIMUM. But lets fact it if the athletic department is behind this - its worse than what happened at SMU. So death penalty is not unwarranted. dont anyone try to compare this to USC or Ohio State which were violations AFTER players were at the schools - they didnt BUY players, and dont even try to compare selling stuff you already own or trading it for tattoos to it either - especially since its been disproved that anything at all was going on with the car deals.



Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 2, 2011 10:06 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

I agree. NO ONE is bigger than the program. I remember not to long ago after Oregon lost to Boise that Oregon fans and sports in Oregon was calling for Kelly's head.

If he lied and tried to cover this up, he is gone. If Saint Tressel can't survive this, Kelly can't. 



Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 2, 2011 10:01 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

I don't care what you say.  Chip should never be fired or forced to resign.  I don't care if he did what Tressell did.  You get rid of him you put Oregon back ten years.  We live and we die by Chip Kelly.  He is the best coach in the nation, I don't care if you have to go through USC sanctions.  Which by the way the punishment is not going to be even close to USC.  Telling me that Chip Kelly should go is like admitting that you are retarded. 
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Yeah and you people say SEC folks only care about winning. Are you nuts? If Chip Kelly knew about it he is gone and even if he didnt know about it and its all true....He is gone the university will have no choice.


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