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If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Posted on: July 1, 2011 6:49 pm
Edited on: July 1, 2011 7:17 pm

Posted by Adam Jacobi

As reported earlier, controversial scouting service owner Willie Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that he received money from Oregon to indirectly steer recruits to Eugene, and that the infamous obsolete scouting report was sent in order to make the $25,000 payment appear more legitimate. Lyles also told Yahoo! that he met with the NCAA in March, and that he withheld details at that meeting that he would later reveal to Yahoo!.

Oregon's options at this point are simple: dispute heavily Lyles' version of events, or fire head coach Chip Kelly.

If Lyles isn't telling the truth, obviously, that's not Oregon's fault, nor should it necessitate any discipline for Kelly. That said, Oregon had better be on the offensive about that right now, and have a paper trail to back it up. Simply repeating that Oregon doesn't think it did anything wrong isn't going to fly anymore -- not with Lyles' statements out there and the litany of NCAA violations possible here. Lyles said what just about everybody was thinking -- that the "scouting report" was a sham, and that the money was really for some sort of indirect coercive influence -- and he's got the ambiguously worded cards from two different Oregon coaches (including Kelly) to back it up.

That all said, the existing evidence as of right now paints Kelly and Oregon as brazen flouters of NCAA rules, to the point that the best thing Lyles said about recruiting arrangement was that he wasn't directly influencing the prospects' decisions. That appears to be a distinction without much of a difference, however. Look at what Lyles said about getting five-star RB recruit Lache Seastrunk to Oregon:

Lyles said Oregon's assistant director of football operations, Josh Gibson, had direct knowledge – and played an ancillary role – in Lyles helping [...] Seastrunk petition to have his grandmother, rather than his mother, sign his national letter of intent with the Ducks in February 2010. Seastrunk's mother, who expressed opposition to her son about attending Oregon, otherwise could have blocked the signing.

Lyles then says outright that it was an indirect but pivotal role in getting Seastrunk to Oregon, but... that sounds pretty direct. And as for the amount of influence was involved here, Lyles basically says outright that Oregon went around the wishes of Seastrunk's mother. To see Seastrunk not only calling out Alabama head coach Nick Saban at Toomer's Corner while being recruited by Auburn in 2009, but still talking fondly of the Tigers in the lead up to the BCS Championship Game, it certainly appears that a significant amount of work was put into getting Seastrunk to Oregon instead of Auburn. Whether that was legal work is for the NCAA to decide.

Here's how bad the situation is for Oregon: the best argument Kelly and the Ducks can make is that the $25,000 couldn't have been used to land Seastrunk and the other recruits, because if there's one thing the Cam Newton ($180,000) and Patrick Peterson ($70,000) situations showed us, $25,000 is far below asking price for even one high-profile player. And they'd be right. It still doesn't answer the question of what the $25,000 was really playing for, though, and that's the question that may derail Oregon's program and Kelly's career right as both were getting good. 


Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2011 7:36 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

I don't care what you say.  Chip should never be fired or forced to resign.  I don't care if he did what Tressell did.  You get rid of him you put Oregon back ten years.  We live and we die by Chip Kelly.  He is the best coach in the nation, I don't care if you have to go through USC sanctions.  Which by the way the punishment is not going to be even close to USC.  Telling me that Chip Kelly should go is like admitting that you are retarded.  

Since: Oct 27, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 7:00 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Oregon's options at this point are simple: dispute heavily Lyles' version of events,...

No that's not an option.  Review the USC fiasco and see what evidence the NCAA accepted to show that USC was aware of Bush's transgressions:  a telephone call, the facts of which are still being disputed in court.  There's much more of that in this case, a ton of phone calls made at the time the incidents Lyles described occurred.  Oregon's involvement in researching the LOI incident and giving Lyles the go ahead.  Lyles relates that it was he who engineered the deal, then provoked OU's involvement.  A Booster.  Oh year. Providing transport when Kelly was in Texas etc.  All this reveals the cozy and continuing connection between Lyles and the UO staff, and is backed up by written documents.  Lyles may not have told the whole truth but he told enough of it.  And he may not be done, I bet he knows a lot more.  We still haven't heard about the university employee who rented a car for a player or the player seen driving a Land Rover. Improper benefits? OU's only hope, as I see it, is to hope the NCAA takes an Auburn-like view of these matters and not the USC view.  Good Luck, OU.    

Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 2, 2011 3:16 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

I want to find out a little bit more about everything. But it does look really bad right now. But I do not understand this whole conspricacy theory that the NCAA wants to bring down the Pac-12. Regardless if you agree with the rules or not they are still the rules. USC broke those rules or at the very least turned a blind eye to them. Oregon the verdict is still out there somewhere. So I will wait but IF (understand that this is a subjective word and therefore the rest of this statement is conditional) it is true Oregon will have no choice but to clean house.

Since: Jul 2, 2011
Posted on: July 2, 2011 1:40 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Apparently, he was owed a second payment of $25k though but the UO cut him off......looks like trouble to me.  He also apparently "lied" to the NCAA in the same way Jim Tressel did by signing a piece of paper attesting that he wasnt aware of any NCAA infractions.  This is a University paying for someone to deliver a recruit with approval from the coach and hand written notes to back it up.... This is bad...

If Jim Tressel had to go because of what he did, then this is WAY WORSE than that.... 

Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2011 12:30 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Its sure starting to stink in Eugene. But dont under estimate the duck nation, they are the only fan base that can completely ignore this kind of stuff, just wait for the "fans" to start justifying this garbage!! NCAA better cripple this organized crime family posing as a college football team.

Since: Jan 13, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2011 11:19 am

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Blame i ton Jim Tressel and the "Little Sisters of the Poor" !

Since: Dec 6, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 8:12 am

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Really?  Chip Kelly must go?  It was $25k...the price of 1 year of schooling for a student going to Oregon from another state.  Brash statement calling for a coaches head when you do not know the facts guy!

Since: Oct 12, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:53 am

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Oregon in the BCS Championship Game will be the death knell for the program.  At the end of last year, Stanford and Oregon were two of the top four teams in the country.  This has to be stopped, now.  Its amazing how much energy is directed towards the Pac-12 to prevent schools from competing on a national level.  Yet somehow, the athletes keep going to Pac-12 schools when they can be in Alabama, Arkansas, or Ohio.

Since: Feb 13, 2011
Posted on: July 1, 2011 10:20 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Adam, could you remind me where is the proof that Cem received 180,000 from any school? Is this really what our sports news have become?   Just send me to a place where it states that Cam's father was paid by Auburn or any school $180,000. And show me where HE actually requested the money also.

Since: Jul 1, 2011
Posted on: July 1, 2011 9:10 pm

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Nice emoticons....

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