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Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

Posted on: July 6, 2011 12:21 pm
Edited on: July 6, 2011 12:45 pm
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Let's be fair to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany: When Delany speaks in this USA Today article on the problems plaguing major college athletics and the potential "fundamental changes" (to use Delany's Big 12 counterpart Dan Beebe's term) that might result, he's clearly not expecting the NCAA's power conferences to secede from the current model:
"Don't blame structure," Delany says, "until you have a group of core presidents, athletic directors, commissioners and coaches who are willing to embrace real change" and are shot down.
That's a lot of people to all wrangle onto the same page. But if that "group" is "shot down"?
"At that juncture," he says, "then I think it's fair to look at how else you get it."
Delany's not spelling it out, but he doesn't have to. "How else you get it" means one thing and one thing only: taking the Big Ten's (and the SEC's and Pac-12's and I guess the Big 12's and ACC's) ball and going home to a post-NCAA college athletics superleague.

And if that first quote indicates that (as the USA Today writes) that kind of split isn't yet "on the agenda," it's not that difficult to see that kind of consortium coming together over Delany's full-cost scholarship proposal. Those kinds of athlete stipends already have wide-ranging support (including, critically, from the SEC's Mike Slive) and are seen by many as one possible antidote to the improper benefits scandals that have given college football the black eye it's sported the last several months.

If Delany and his "group" champion those scholarships as a way to help clean up the sport, only for the non-AQ schools of Division I (which outnumber the AQ schools more than four-to-one and may vote to protect their men's basketball interests) to veto it in the name of competitive balance, then what? It seems as if this would be the exact excuse Delany would be looking for to "look at how else" college athletics might be managed.

Of course, these kinds of discussions are still off in the relatively distant future, and a NCAA split remains the nuclear option even Delany and Slive will likely take great pains to avoid deploying. But that Delany is already using that threat as a kind of posturing -- potentially to suggest to the rest of the NCAA membership that it should fall in line -- suggests that whatever deliberations and debates will surround full-cost scholarships and other sweeping reform measures, don't expect them to progress smoothly.


Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: July 8, 2011 2:27 am

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

Delaney should be fired.  College sports would be ruined if this happened.  I would hope that if something like would occur that the IRS would take a hard look at the reasons for this and revoke the tax exemption of any school that did this.  

Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: July 7, 2011 7:31 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

I don't know exactly how it would all work out, but I can gaurantee one thing. If the Big Ten and now the PAC12 joined forces, I suspect ND would automatically include themselves also. They may not want to join a conference, but I couldn't see them giving up USC/Michigan/Michigan State/Purdue as part of their football schedule. Maybe every team in both conferences wouldn't bolt, but enough would. As strong as the SEC is, that would still put them in a real pickle. You may be strong, but you cannot stand alone. If the Rose Bowl wasn't hosting the NCG every year, it's because some agreement would be reached to play the game sometimes in the midwest, likely indoors in Ypsilanti Michigan. The two leagues might be playing a lot of OOC games against each other, a conference championship game and then the big one. I would suspect that the AP would give a lot of credence to the associaiton. There would be other bowl games but the BCS would crumble. I don't know what would happen to the basketball thing. All of the sudden, the NCAA would not have the power it does. An NIT might surface again to be the BIG Tournament. All this is probably a super longshot, but something is bound to happen, because I cannot see the NCAA allowing this to get any legs whatsoever.

Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: July 7, 2011 7:04 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

@Nitrobuck must be an aspiring associate at Merrill Lynch (of course try to climb the ladder to a SVP or Managing Director position) or he just finished his first four credits in undergraduate b-school and is dying to tell everyone how much (actually, how little) he knows.

You forgot a few things @Nitrobuck…

- Sure the sub-prime credit loans were overly risky and out-of-character for “normal” financing conditions – and they really shouldn’t have been promoted – but that doesn’t explain how these toxic assets were then bundled into mortgage-backed securities and sold as AAA+ investments. (Not to mention, NO ONE told these banks they HAD TO process these loans – they did it because it was considered “easy money” as any failure would’ve been
strapped on the government).

- It also doesn’t explain how incredibly well-compensated lobbyists on behalf of the financial industry spearheaded the watering-down of regulations which contributed to the impossible basis of oversight for nearly 30 years.  The Depository Institutions Deregulations and Monetary Control Act of 1980, the Garn-St Germain Depository Institutions Act in 1982, the eventual disposal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 during the ‘80’s and ‘90’s, the Basel Accord of 1988 or the idea that the SEC allowed investment banks to essentially determine their own net capital in 2004.   All of these acts placed banks at a point where they could actually reap ridiculous profits by (dangerously) over leveraging themselves and it certainly promoted futures/options traders from wreaking havoc on every possibly level.

- It also doesn’t account for the rising inequality among income tiers, the inadequate safety nets that were incessantly preyed upon which also caused a lot of inappropriate stimulus in bad times.  This happened due to the dissolving of the middle class as lower and middle incomes have stayed stagnant over the past three decades while the top 1% has increased exponentially.  Throw in the constant loss of manufacturing jobs – that sustained these same wage earners – for increased profits on Wall St and you can see there might be a problem (and by the way, you CAN’T recover from a recession very well when more than half of your population is one “major issue” away from filing for bankruptcy).  

Finally, if you decide to provide multiple tax cuts while also funding two independent wars for the first time in the country’s history and… well… I think you can guess that cyclical tenures of lower revenues along with higher expenses mean you can’t really balance the checkbook very well.

I guess my point is that you should stop waxing poetic about a topic you want to be considered an expert or aficionado if you aren’t willing to at least discuss the entire topic.  By the way, if in your next b-school course your prof tells you that "trickle down" is a good thing or that the jury is still out... do yourself a favor and find a new school.

Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: July 7, 2011 3:41 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

The Big 10 should lead the way again, just like they have in academics and limiting the number of cholarships given out.  They do the right thing, and kicking the NCAA to the curb is the right thing.  Lets hope some other top conf. join in and they can force the NCAA to do the right thing.

Since: Sep 25, 2007
Posted on: July 7, 2011 3:12 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

Does anybody recall the times when the NAIA ruled the collegiate sports world? Why would we think the NCAA could not be toppled for some other regime?  The NCAA is exploiting these young athletes and giving nothing in return...remember, it is the schools forking out the money for the scholarships, NOT the NCAA, but they are the ones making billions $$$ and telling the universities what they can and cannot do. So much so down to the point the athletes cannot have a job just for pocket money...its not wonder why these athletes break the rule the NCCA establishes and take money from agents just to get by 

It is the NCAA's tight dictatorship and money grubbing ways with their restrictions which has caused the athletes to sacrifice their morals and ethics just to keep their head above water while they are in school. 

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: July 7, 2011 2:41 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

The Banking and Investment system in the USA failed because of deregulation and you should reread what you wrote. It doesn't make sense.  ie: the phrase due to goverment sticking their fingers where they should have.  I'm pretty sure you meant the last part to read where they shouldn't have been.

For the sake of brevity, I'll oversimplify this.  Deregulation did not cause the Banking & Investment system to fail.  It contributed to the failure, primarily due to use of derivatives that arose after deregulation. As I see it, these new investment tactics compounded an underlying problem.  That would be politicians like Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd leaning on banks to make mortgage loans to people that traditionally had been considered to not be credit-worthy.  In their view, every American had the right to own their own home.  This directly contradicts and overrode the hundreds of years worth of experience banks had on determining credit worthiness.  As a result of these government mandates, millions of home loans were given to people who had little to no chance of being able to meet the financial obligations.  As one would expect, huge numbers of these loans failed, flooding the market with foreclosed homes.  This in turn led to the collapse of the housing market.  It is irresponsible to blame deregulation for the collapse, when the base cause was meddling politicians.

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: July 7, 2011 2:04 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

Raspberry - agree very much with your comment about sticking it to the fans. After all, we make all this happen anyway.

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: July 7, 2011 2:03 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

I have no problem with this, even though as a Louisville fan, we would probably be left out, but it's not that easy. It would screw up all other college sports, particularly men's basketball.

And if this did happen, I would appreciate somebody having the insight to include my team over some other teams in these conferences that do not deserve their spot. Louisville's atheltic program across the board is much better than schools like Baylor, Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St., Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Virginia, et al.

Since: Jun 18, 2011
Posted on: July 7, 2011 2:00 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

I would only agree with your suggestion if:

1) NCAA Coaches salary maxed at 700K...we must change every component of the system not just the players.

2) Schools stop selling players jerseys with their names on them which make the university millions and the players only get a tens of thousand dollar scholarship. Lets do the math...millions compared to 125K scholarship over 4 years...its a no brainer.

3) Ticket prices go down to like $25 per ticket. No need for the fans to continue footing these foundation coffers so the coach can have a golden parachute with ridiculous buyout clauses who never catch a ball or break a tackle and then we feel justified in giving the student athlete a dorm room, textbooks and a scholarship and feel like this is equal and adequate exchange for a coaching staff who makes 5-10 million a year....Gimme a Break! 

Since: Mar 7, 2007
Posted on: July 7, 2011 1:20 pm

Delany doesn't rule out NCAA split

First off that comparision makes not sense.  Housing and Banking went down due to goverment sticking their fingers where they should have.
The Banking and Investment system in the USA failed because of deregulation and you should reread what you wrote. It doesn't make sense.  ie: the phrase due to goverment sticking their fingers where they should have.  I'm pretty sure you meant the last part to read where they shouldn't have been.

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