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NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

Posted on: July 20, 2011 1:39 pm
Edited on: July 20, 2011 2:13 pm
 

Posted by Tom Fornelli

As Auburn head coach Gene Chizik recently found out in Destin, Florida after a rather testy exchange with NCAA Vice President of Enforcement Julie Roe Lach, the NCAA's investigation into Auburn is not over. More specifically, Chizik will "know when we're finished, and we're not finished." Now according to a report from outkickthecoverage.com, we know that the NCAA was in Montgomery asking questions as recently as last month.

According to the report, NCAA investigator Jackie Thurnes was in Montgomery interviewing a businessman with ties to the school.

As part of the latest round of investigation in Montgomery, Thurnes conducted interviews with Montgomery businessmen with relationships to Auburn University. Reached for comment by outkickthecoverage.com multiple individuals who spoke with Thurnes declined comment. Those interviews dealt with the NCAA's continuing probe of Cam Newton, but also focused on allegations levied on HBO's Real Sports by former Auburn player Stanley McClover. McClover told HBO that he'd been paid to play football for Auburn. The NCAA investigating McClover's claims is interesting because typically the NCAA statute of limitations on collegiate wrongdoing is four years. McClover last played at Auburn in January of 2006, but the NCAA reserves the right to expand the statute of limitations if there is a connection or pattern of wrongdoing.

Here's our original story on Stanley McClover

One allegation that Thurnes is reportedly looking into has to do with the suit Cam Newton wore to the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

One such individual, Thomas Buckelew, a tailor at Buckelew's Clothing for Men in Montgomery, Alabama, finds himself buffeted by allegations that he provided high-priced suits to Cam Newton at reduced costs. The very suits, you guessed it, that Newton wore at the Heisman ceremony. According to sources, Newton's suits, ties included, cost in excess of $4,000 each. NCAA investigator Jackie Thurnes was informed of this allegation, and the NCAA has spent time investigating its validity.

Since providing the suits at a reduced rate, if proven, would constitute an improper benefit and hence an NCAA violation, the NCAA has to take each allegation seriously. Indeed, last week Georgia Tech's 2009 ACC title was stripped for a mere $312 in improper clothing benefits.

When contacted by outkickthecoverage.com Buckelew admitted that he knew Newton and had worked with him but then said he'd "rather not get into it" and that he hasn't talked to anyone with the NCAA about his relationship with Newton. Buckelew also went on to say that he hopes the attention on him continues because it's been "good for business."

Maybe for him, but should these allegations turn out to be true and the NCAA keeps looking around and finds more violations at Auburn, it won't be very good for business at Auburn. 

Comments

Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: July 22, 2011 1:29 pm
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

First of all, let's get this straight.

Cam DID NOT choose Auburn. CECIL DID. Do you deny that this is a fact?

If you do deny it then there isn't any reason to continue posting back and forth because you are showing to be what everyone already thinks you are (an Auburn fan with his head in the sand). Cam said his daddy said it was going to be Auburn. He has been quoted on national television on that. I'm sure I can find a link somewhere if I tried hard enough.

If you don't deny it then this statement

Maybe Cam went to Auburn because he was approached by Kenny Rogers and offered money and didn't want to be associated with a dirty program?
is pure and simple doodoo.

My head is not in the sand, I just want the media to report facts, not just speculation and innuendo.

No, (just like any other fan would be) you want them to stop reporting and go away. It's human nature. There's no reason to try and play off your intensions any other way. NO ONE is buying it. If everyone told the truth then this whole ordeal would have been over months and months ago.

 

And again nothing in that link says that Cecil "shopped" his son.  It said he was a party to conversations about a pay for play scam.

Shaking my head in disbelief that you would even try to insult someone's, anyone's intellegence by trying to sell this bull.  



You "knowing" that Auburn paid him is just like me "knowing" that a booster is buying cars for UA players.

Please stop trying to spin. You're awful at it. Let's address the issue of you're saying I "know". My post very clearly said "Do I THINK that someone associated with Auburn paid Mr. Newton? Without a doubt." This implies to ANYONE with any kind of reason and literacy that it is my OPINION. Because there is no doubt in my mind does not make it so.

My "2 and 2" is that college kids from lower middle class to poor families cannot afford the cars that a significant portion of the players are driving.
That's great man. You're getting there. Just like I have already said that I think players are getting improper benefits at pretty much EVERYWHERE. Bama included. Now take that same mind set and look at the whole Cam Newton saga from the time he was at Florida until the time he signed with Auburn. The only people who don't think that Cecil Newton sold his son are Auburn fans. Even people who don't care about football or Auburn think he sold his son.

Let me say it this way:

IN MY OPINION- You don't change from a thief and cheater to this all American boy image that Auburn passed off Cam as in a years time. IMO, Cam is a chip off the old block.

As it sits, Auburn is the defending national champion. I'm ok with that. Nothing has been proven at this point. So my day isn't going to change whether they prove anything happened or not.

My question to you is what in the hell are all the Auburn fans going to do if everything that they are speculating is actually true or even half true? Better get that head out of the sand. 




Since: Jan 5, 2011
Posted on: July 22, 2011 10:21 am
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

If in return for that help Mark was to play for Michigan State. Hell yes he should have been ineligible. If MI Sr was seeking out potential "help" in return for his son's services, yes most definately he should have been ineligible.

What if Mark did know and that is why he chose to go to Alabama.  Maybe Cam went to Auburn because he was approached by Kenny Rogers and offered money and didn't want to be associated with a dirty program?  Another reason is he might have liked what Gus Malzahn had done with inferior qbs and saw that Auburn had the most experienced O Line in the conference. And again nothing in that link says that Cecil "shopped" his son.  It said he was a party to conversations about a pay for play scam.  Remember MSU and AU were not the only schools recruiting him:

Stoops said at his news conference Tuesday that he "didn't notice anything and none of our coaches did as we were recruiting him." He said he knew of "nothing at all" out of the ordinary and that Newton's recruitment "could not have been better."

My head is not in the sand, I just want the media to report facts, not just speculation and innuendo. I want the media (Thayer Evans, Clay Travis, Danny Sheridan etc, to quit throwing hand grenades and report the facts.)  Fact: NCAA investigators were in Montgomery interviewing businessmen associated with Auburn.  Clay Travis reporting a rumor that he made up, or Danny Sheridan (a UA Grad) saying that his "sources" inside the NCAA have told him they have found a "bagman" and then other media outlets reporting other media sources is not journalism. 

You "knowing" that Auburn paid him is just like me "knowing" that a booster is buying cars for UA players.  Except that your reasoning is that MSU offered him money Auburn must have paid him.  My "2 and 2" is that college kids from lower middle class to poor families cannot afford the cars that a significant portion of the players are driving.




Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: July 21, 2011 3:11 pm
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

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Here you go.



Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: July 21, 2011 3:05 pm
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

 What if Mark Ingram's dad had been approached by a Michigan State alumni with an offer to help him out with his legal bills?  Should Mark Ingram have been ineligible? 

If in return for that help Mark was to play for Michigan State. Hell yes he should have been ineligible. If MI Sr was seeking out potential "help" in return for his son's services, yes most definately he should have been ineligible.

Let's say that Cecil didn't seek money from Mississippi State. Why did Cecil decide that Cam was going to Auburn. Would you like a link to the photo of Cam Newton at the Mississippi State game ringing a cowbell? Cam wanted to play for coach Mullins. Cam said he wanted to go to Mississippi State. What pissed daddy off? Was it the fact that Miss State said no? Cam said his father came in at Christmas and said it's going to be Auburn.

I am NOT saying that it will be proven that Auburn paid Cecil Newton. I haven't said that Auburn will be penalized by the NCAA. What I am saying is that Cecil Newton is a piece of sh!t that has brought all of this on Cam and Auburn.

Do I think that someone affiliated with Auburn paid him? Without a doubt. Do I think that Julio and Mark were given benifits? Without a doubt. The good thing about my last statement for me as a Bama fan is that the NCAA isn't currently going through Bama's laundry basket.

If I were an Auburn fan I think I'd go with the "Prove it" line of defense much more than the "We didn't do it" one.



Since: Jun 18, 2010
Posted on: July 21, 2011 2:46 pm
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

So Kommon by your reasoning Mark Ingram should be in jail because his father did something illegal.

No dumbazz. Embezzlement, as bad as it is, does not call into question one's child's NCAA eligibilty.

The links I posted were the first four or five results from a google search "Cecil Newton admits"  
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Go google it yourself OR go stick your head back in the sand with most of the rest of the Auburn faithful. I have family members who are Auburn fans and at least they stick to hope that maybe Cam really didn't know anything. You're so hard headed you won't even accept the fact the old man has already admitted he shopped his son.

I hope to God that if I ever get into legal trouble and I'm on trial that you are one of my jurors. You sure have problems putting two and two together, but then again you are an Auburn fan Cool




Since: Jan 5, 2011
Posted on: July 21, 2011 1:10 pm
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

This makes anything else you say worthless. Cecil Newton admittedly solicited money from Mississippi State.

So Kommon by your reasoning Mark Ingram should be in jail because his father did something illegal.

The quotes from the sites you listed:

A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player's father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State, though he's steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands and said no official at Mississippi State ever made such an offer.

Every link you show is reporting on what WSBTV reported.  You know sources close to a source say.....  Tell me where in that quote it says anything about Cecil seeking money.  What if Mark Ingram's dad had been approached by a Michigan State alumni with an offer to help him out with his legal bills?  Should Mark Ingram have been ineligible? 










Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: July 21, 2011 11:37 am
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

Kommon, my cut paste doesn't work at work, but copying your first link bing'd me to this site:

www.wsbtv.com/sports/25778803/detai

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Hope I got that right.

Cecil Newton admitted to having conversations with an ex-MSU player about the possibility....

I'm certain you can read from there. It is different from directly asking for money, but guess what? If you want to come up with a synonym or a soundbite you shorten all of that to say Cecil Newton solicited.

Again, I won't insult your intelligence. I don't know what team you root for. But clearly you know that soundbites are all the time couched to sound 'juicier' than what they are. Then people take these soundbites and make them out to be 'fact'. It happens to nearly every team when some beat reporter needs more hits to a website.

Why people steadfastly refuse to see that with Auburn is, at this point, insane.



Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: July 21, 2011 11:29 am
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

A quick google search of 'SEC sandestin' shows the meeting started 28 May. I'm not going to look at how long these meetings lasted or when Chizik and old girl had their confrontation.

Suffice it to say it wasn't new when it was released.

Someone mentioned 'court of public opinion'....really, what does that matter? Reverse the position. Star player on your team who has been the target of a lot of the media's attention. No real facts about the case actually came out since November, and even that was distorted.

Would you care what public opinion was? Wouldn't you actually care about what the truth was and not simply what everyone was saying? It is very easy to form an opinion. You don't have to be intelligent to do that. And from what I've seen, that certainly holds true for the court of public opinion here.

7788, at this point I don't know what to think overall, to answer your question. You look at something like this blog and you wonder how hard would it be to find out that Newton got a discount from this place. All of his finances have been looked through. Find out how he paid. Check with the tailor shop. See how much the suit cost. Reference anyone who has purchased the suit. See what they paid. It wouldn't be extraordinarily tough to prove a discount was made.

Why come out with this as speculation when it would be relatively easy to prove?




Since: Jul 21, 2011
Posted on: July 21, 2011 11:03 am
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

I hope so, you idiot...that would be an improper benefit!



Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 21, 2011 10:59 am
 

NCAA still sniffing around Auburn

@wahtiger96

I have no idea.  We will see.  The five road games look daunting and the five games in October are ridculous. 

I know we are young and talented but that can only go so far in a year where everyone clearly hates us and we are new at several positions.  I see a similar year to 2009.  I think we will play everyone tough (I know we didn't play LSU tough in 2009) and be right there in almost every game, but on the road and growing pains in effect I think we are looking at 7-5 all day. 

2012 though better watch out.  Schedule flips. 


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