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Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

Posted on: August 9, 2011 12:43 pm
 
Posted by Chip Patterson

Another release was made on Monday from a client of highly-discussed Houston talent scout Willie Lyles. The California athletic department released a 4-page document listing names and basic information about 49 players listed as 2010 Texas recruits, according to The Oregonian.

Lyles previously had said he sold packages to Oregon ($25,000), LSU ($6,000), and Cal ($5,000). Cal reportedly has a DVD they are ready to distribute, but the documents were the only release from Lyles' invoice. LSU has released video they say was provided by Lyles, which came under hard scrutiny for lack-of-quality and the inability to actually identify prospects.

As for the prospects on the list that Cal's athletic department released, none of them ended up enrolling with the Golden Bears. Oregon commits Lache Seastrunk and Dontae Williams were included in the group.
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Since: Jan 12, 2008
Posted on: August 10, 2011 7:25 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

Quazaar51 you have no clue what you are talking about LSU has always done very well in sw Louisiana and se Texas, you need to stick with something you know about and Im plenty sure it's not much

Then why pay any money at all to Will Lyles???  For crappy video tape???  Take your head out of the sand.  Will Lyles NEVER ran a LEGIT Scouting Service.  NEVER!  And yet LSU gave Lyles $6,000...Obviously for services that included more than just video.



Since: Jan 4, 2007
Posted on: August 10, 2011 8:57 am
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

Quazaar51 you have no clue what you are talking about LSU has always done very well in sw Louisiana and se Texas, you need to stick with something you know about and Im plenty sure it's not much



Since: Nov 8, 2006
Posted on: August 10, 2011 1:27 am
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

$5,000?  Add another zero to that before we should even start to care.




Since: Jan 12, 2008
Posted on: August 9, 2011 8:39 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

LSU has always recruited SE Texas well, and Houston is a big part of that, Will Lyles or no Will Lyles.
True.  Which is probably why LSU only paid Lyles $6,000 and not $25,000.  Nonetheless, Lyles did not give LSU $6,000 worth of video on scouts.  Any legit scouting service that can land mighty LSU as a client will also have numerous other schools buying in.  That's just it, there aren't other schools buying Will Lyles' services cause he was never a LEGIT scouting service.  He was paid to deliver athletes.

He already ADMITTED he knew he was getting paid to steer recruits to a certain school (Oregon) even though that deal was never formally expressed.  Oregon is Nike owned so they have more $$$ to throw around.  But Cal and LSU paid for virtually the "same services" that Oregon received.  If the NCAA is going to be consistent, all 3 schools need be punished.




Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2011 5:29 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

The question is, "Did these schools commit any thing illegal by the NCAA law books?"  And I would agree, the answer is a resounding, "No!"

Paying a "scout" for his services is different than hiring a "recruiter" for his services.

Unfortunately, there is smoke, so I do not fault any journalist for looking into the smoke to see if there is a fire.  If a school makes contact during no-contact periods, then that is illegal, too.  Now then, is it illegal for a local "scout" or "agent for the player" to act as a go between and make these illegal visits or negotiate with the schools for specific housing or other legal items the school is authorized to provide to student athletes?  I think these three schools in specific, and probably dozens of others have entered more into a moral question on gaining access to prospective student athletes than a legal one.





Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: August 9, 2011 5:18 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

@quazaar51--Outside of Lousisana, Houston has the largest contingent of LSU grads in the country.  Plus, Houston is closer to Lousisana than it is to many of the schools in Texas.  LSU has always recruited SE Texas well, and Houston is a big part of that, Will Lyles or no Will Lyles. 



Since: Jan 12, 2008
Posted on: August 9, 2011 4:28 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

Will Lyles is in the business of steering recruits to certain schools that pay.  His front is that he provides video scouting reports of recruits.  But it is just a front.  California recruited Texas fairly well the past 4 years securing at least 2 commits a year from Texas (some from Houston).  Oregon received both LaMichael James and Lache Seastrunk, if not more players, from Wil Lyles (thus a larger payday).  LSU obviously gets players from Texas since  it is a neighboring state.  However of their 4 Texas recruits c/o 2009, three came from Houston.  LSU also received a Houston area commit in both 2010 and 2011. Hmmmm........

Pretty obvious all 3 schools paid Mr. Lyles to steer recruits towards them.  Proving it is a different story though.



Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

'Much ado about Nothing'. There is a wisp of smoke but no fire here at Cal, at LSU or at Oregon. What the media has exposed is a low-grade scam artist who promised far more than he delivered. Did any of these schools re-employ Lyles' services for a second year? I have not read that they did. Was any payment for the influence of athletes to the respective schools? Lyles himself says no and he is acting like a whistleblower. What intrigues me is that Lyles' story may be preemptive strike against being sued for fraud by the schools.

Scouting is as much an art as it is a science. There are no NCAA regulations about employing scouts who can attend HS games in more remote (to the school) regions and report on such. There are no standards as to the format of information provided to the school except that there needs to be some documentation. I see nothing to charge Cal with wrongdoing. The same for LSU and Oregon. They paid for a service and received it and none, apparently. renewed it because of generally poor quality. That does not make much of a story so the media hypes it as something they have zero proof to support. So far there is simply no story unless there is movement within the NCAA to change the rules and provide a mandatory format for scouting services. That is not against Cal, or Oregon, or LSU. Having the forms filled out to their standard will not change an iota of a school using a service to gain recruiting advantage. Cal and Oregon and LSU are not NCAA scandals at this time and the inclusion of any of them on a list with actual NCAA violators is yellow journalism at its worst. The scandal, so far, is on the media.




Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2011 3:22 pm
 

Cal releases scouting package from Willie Lyles

Of course LSU has since been vindicated when they realized the video was old because it HAD to be if they wanted a good look at Mettenberger.  That female reporter who said the video has "no value" admitted she has no idea if it does or not, only that the video was of poor quality.  Sweetheart, all high school football game film is of poor quality lol.


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