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Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Posted on: August 30, 2011 12:15 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

LSU is currently without its starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson and linebacker Josh Johns as the two have been suspended indefinitely after being arrested for their role in a fight outside a bar in Baton Rouge. According to witness reports, Jordan Jefferson allegedly kicked a man in the face during the fight, and now a report on ESPN details the injuries suffered by two of the men involved in the fracas.

Andrew Lowery is the man who was allegedly kicked in the face by Jefferson, and he suffered a facial fracture, a concussion, fractured teeth and facial and body bruises in the fight. According to the general manager of the bar where the fight took place, John Peak, Lowery also threw the first punch and had been kicked out of the bar earlier.

Lowery claims that he was merely trying to help an unknown man who was being pulled from his truck by the LSU football players. The man who was pulled from the truck suffered three fractured vertabrae in his lower back, a concussion, fractured teeth and severe cuts and bruises on his face.

What actually happened that night outside Shady's Bar we don't know yet, and it's up to the local police to piece the story together. Still, given the injuries suffered by Lowery and the man in the truck and witness reports, things aren't looking good for Jordan Jefferson at the moment. Regardless of whether or not he started the fight or was merely defending himself. 
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Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 9:54 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

It's obvious most of you guys are way quick to judge.  You know little if anything about what happened that night, or the parties involved, but because it involves an athlete at a school other than your's you istantly condemn him. 

Here are some facts for you to consider:

1.)  Until this incident, Jefferson has never been in any kind of trouble.  He's always been quiet, shy and respectful.  According to his father, he rarely goes to bars because he doesn't drink alcohol.  When he does go to bars it's just to be with friends.

2.)  This Lowery guy is apparently a piece of work.  A Marine who has a restraining order against him from his olf girlfriend.  He's been tossed from this particular bar at least twice prior to this night for starting fights.

Here are a couple of plausible rumors:

1.)  Lowery saw his ex in a bar earlier that night, tried to start a fight with the guy she was with, got tossed from the bar. (May have been Shady's)

2.)  Lowery had been trying to start a fight with football players in the parking lot prior to the incident.  Allegedly he was particularly interested in Jefferson.

Now does this sound like a Good Sumaritan who went to the rescue of an unknown young man allegedly being dragged from his truck?  Not hardly.  More likely he saw whatever was happening as his opportunity to thrust himself into the fray and finally go at it with Jefferson.  Now ask yourself, how would you react if this jackass had been stalking you all night for no reason and finally took a swing at you in the middle of a melee?  Jefferson possible went too far in the eyes of the law.  But if things went down the way it's rumored here, Lowery got what he had coming to him. 

And even if things didn't happen this way, it's an example of what might've happened and why everybody should keep their uninformed opinions to themselves.



Since: Jan 16, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2011 9:12 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

How do people get off on fighting? It takes a bigger man to walk away from a potential fight. I would rather be called every degrading name in the book while walking away from a heated situation and live to see another day, versus show everyone, including the potential combatant, that "I'm a stud, a man".



Since: Sep 28, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 8:55 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

So we are supposed to believe the contention that Jefferson was trying to defend his teammates? Helping your teammates amounts to kicking a man in the head? And of course, like most young punks these days he is incapable of fighting himself but must gang up on someone while standing in a circle and kicking him when defenseless. Unless he is a martial arts practcioner I guarantee that is how this man suffered facial lacerations. Too cowardly to risk a butt kicking these idiots have to fight in packs like dogs. Jefferson obviously jumped into a beat down in progress and is trying to justify it because the other guy started the fight. While the guy may have been a violent jerk, once it becomes three or four guys beating him at once those guys beating him are no longer defending themselves but committing felony assault instead.



Since: Mar 3, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2011 7:26 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

 Wht makes me sick is how these athletes will probably walk. College football is too big. These "witnesses" will be threatened and badgered until they are too scared to testiify against them.
 These guys get pampered their whole lives and never seem to be held accountable for their actions. Ridiculous



Since: Aug 28, 2011
Posted on: August 30, 2011 6:53 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Don't think he was defending himself if he was kicking the man in the face ! He might not have started the fight , but he went to far in attacking the man when he was down and out



Since: May 10, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 6:50 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Where's the cell phone footage? Fights like this don't go on without someone pulling a camera phone out. Someone's holding out when they should be selling that footage for a few grand.



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 6:10 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Meet words with mob violence?  Please keep up, violence was defended against with violence.  Lowery tried to fight anyone and everyone and in fact threw the first punch.  Again I state (for maybe the 20th time?) that Jefferson's reaction was excessive, and that if he hadn't been breaking curfew he wouldn't have been attacked. 

Please learn to read.  I don't justify responding to racial slurs with violence, but of course some reaction MUST be expected by a sane individual.  The driver of the truck, who is the marine punk's friend, was threatening VIOLENCE while slinging the N-word.  His boy had just started the fight, so why woudl anyone not believe the thugs friend slinging N bombs was NOT going to start swinging or driving through the crowd as he threatened to do.

You realize your last paragraph is an exact replica of mine?  It appears we both agree that Jefferson shouldn't have broken curfew, so why do you phrase your "reply" as a disagreement?  Reading comprehension in this country is suffering.  "Claims" of racial slurs, racism only exists because a black guy broke curfew - do you even realize that Johns is white? Do you know that Jefferson had nothing to do with the truck driver punk?  You claim to be a lifelong LSU fan, so you must have an alterior motive here.  Hint: your white hood is showing a little bit.




Please learn how to read.  I never said anything about being a life long LSU fan.  I also distinguished between the action taken against the driver, mob violance in retaliation for words, and the action taken againt the marine, one punch being claimed as legitimate reason for a mob to put a beat down on the guy where at least 1 or 2 were kicking the one guy who allegedly threw the first punch, while the guy was down on the ground.

If you saying the a physical response should be expected when one uses a racial slur, then you should be telling blacks to expect a beat down when they call white people crackas.  Otherwise, you are being a hypocrite.

And the last paragraphs are not exactly the same.  There is much different about them.  Reading comprehension is down alright.  Your reading lack of comprehension is one of the reasons why.




Since: Dec 29, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:58 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Two lsu thugs have no place on a football field. They kick two people while they are down nearly kill them? just defending themselfs? I call BS, they belong in jail



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:55 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

 by the way, what happened to "innocent until proven guilty", the cornerstone of the American justice system?


I posted this in another thread, but so you don't have to go hunting:

"Now, just so you're not laboring under the false notion that so many people in the United States have, a person is not innocent until proven guilty.  People are "presumed innocent" for court purposes.  It's a "legal fiction".  If he did it, he's guilty from the time he did it for the rest of his life.  If he didn't do it, he innocent, and no judge or jury can make him guilty.  A finding of guilt would only mean he will be treated as guilty for the purposes of the law."

"Innocent until proven guilty" has NEVER been the cornerstone of the American justice system.  It's the rantings of the un and ill-informed.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:50 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight


Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:31 pmScore: 130 Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight
Look, no matter what, Jordan Jefferson was missing curfew and he kicked a guy in the face when he was down.  We get that and for that he is being punished.  In fact he is being punished more harshly and much more swiftly than a variety of guys all over the country this Summer for doing much, much less.  You can call Les Miles lucky, crazy, whatever, but you can't call him light on discipline.  Ask Perilloux.  Two minor events and he was out on the third.

But, the heart of this discussion is where is the line where self-defense becomes aggression in its own right?  No one can deny from the myriad of statements now in that the marine kid started the fight.  The kid has a record of violence a mile long, has arestraining order against him currently, was thrown out of the bar earlier, etc.  He wants a piece of an LSU football player and does everything he could, including throwing the N word out there and even throwing the first punch.  No one in their right mind can deny at this point that Jefferson has every right to defend himself.  Apparently he does and beats the marine down like a rag doll.  Normally one would say this kid got what he deserved.  He picked, no forced, a fight with Jefferson, gets his butt handed to him, and no wants to press charges?  Shouldn't it be the other way around?  Are we no longer allowed to defend ourselves?

We now know the guy in the truck was the marine's friend, and in fact was there to pick him up.  He honks and screams the N-word and he is promptly pulled out of the truck and giving a much-deserved beat down as well.  If you don't want broken vertebrae, maybe don't holler the N-word at black football players?  Just a thought.

The girl.  Turns out she is the new fling of the violence-prone marine and drove him away when hsi friend was pulled from the truck and incapacitated.  So out of the entire crowd present, many say Jefferson kicked the kid in the head when he was down.  Many state he was attacked first.  But only three people out of maybe 40, the two friends who started the fight and the chic driving the get-away car, say that Jefferson and company started it.  I'm not a statitician, but 37 to 3, including a host of indifferent and impartial observers, saying that it was self-defense speaks pretty strongly.

I know the need to victimize yet another school, to find yet more dirt on a top program, is strong, and one can easily be tempted to ignore facts for the more sensational story.  Remember, Jefferson had never before even been in a hint of trouble.  I still think he shouldn't have kicked the racist punk in the head while he was down, but I don't even know if I would have been able to control myself in a similar situation.

The bottom line is, if he hadn't broken curfew he wouldn't have been a target for the drunk marine redneck. He more than likely would have beaten his get-away driver instead, if his past record is any indication, and jeffesron wouldn't be dealing with all of this.  He didn't take cash, lie, sell services to an agent, cheat on a test, or take drugs.  He broke curfew and eneded up having to defend himself.  That's it.





So, to sum it up.  It's okay to meet words with mob violence, and a single person punching with mob retaliation that includes kicking in the head.  You say you know these things.  I missed the citations supporting your claims of knowlege.  I know I saw a video of a black man kicking someone who was down, which was purported to be Jefferson kicking the marine in the head.  If you know anything about the law, you know this level of response is criminal, because he went way beyond what was necessary to defend himself, even if you allow that the marine threw the first punch.

You can use the claims of use of racial slurs all you want, but they will never justify the response.  Not now, not ever.  Do I get to put a beatdown on any black man who calls me cracka?  Is that what you're saying is permissible, and invited?  Don't be hypocritical here.  Don't give me the PC playbook response.  I'm old school.  Old school says two wrongs don't make a right.

And just out of curiosity, if the tree isn't in the forest, does it fall down?  There wouldn't have been a racial slur if they hadn't been where they weren't supposed to be.  You go looking for trouble, it usually finds you.  They went looking for trouble when they pretended to be keeping curfew, and disrespected the interest of the rest of the team who was actually keeping curfew.  That "redneck" wouldn't have had anyone to attack.  The driver wouldn't have had anyone at which to honk his horn.

Meet words with mob violence?  Please keep up, violence was defended against with violence.  Lowery tried to fight anyone and everyone and in fact threw the first punch.  Again I state (for maybe the 20th time?) that Jefferson's reaction was excessive, and that if he hadn't been breaking curfew he wouldn't have been attacked. 

Please learn to read.  I don't justify responding to racial slurs with violence, but of course some reaction MUST be expected by a sane individual.  The driver of the truck, who is the marine punk's friend, was threatening VIOLENCE while slinging the N-word.  His boy had just started the fight, so why woudl anyone not believe the thugs friend slinging N bombs was NOT going to start swinging or driving through the crowd as he threatened to do.

You realize your last paragraph is an exact replica of mine?  It appears we both agree that Jefferson shouldn't have broken curfew, so why do you phrase your "reply" as a disagreement?  Reading comprehension in this country is suffering.  "Claims" of racial slurs, racism only exists because a black guy broke curfew - do you even realize that Johns is white? Do you know that Jefferson had nothing to do with the truck driver punk?  You claim to be a lifelong LSU fan, so you must have an alterior motive here.  Hint: your white hood is showing a little bit.


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