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Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Posted on: August 30, 2011 12:15 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

LSU is currently without its starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson and linebacker Josh Johns as the two have been suspended indefinitely after being arrested for their role in a fight outside a bar in Baton Rouge. According to witness reports, Jordan Jefferson allegedly kicked a man in the face during the fight, and now a report on ESPN details the injuries suffered by two of the men involved in the fracas.

Andrew Lowery is the man who was allegedly kicked in the face by Jefferson, and he suffered a facial fracture, a concussion, fractured teeth and facial and body bruises in the fight. According to the general manager of the bar where the fight took place, John Peak, Lowery also threw the first punch and had been kicked out of the bar earlier.

Lowery claims that he was merely trying to help an unknown man who was being pulled from his truck by the LSU football players. The man who was pulled from the truck suffered three fractured vertabrae in his lower back, a concussion, fractured teeth and severe cuts and bruises on his face.

What actually happened that night outside Shady's Bar we don't know yet, and it's up to the local police to piece the story together. Still, given the injuries suffered by Lowery and the man in the truck and witness reports, things aren't looking good for Jordan Jefferson at the moment. Regardless of whether or not he started the fight or was merely defending himself. 
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Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:49 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Just a couple of comments:

First off, there should be clarification on the breaking of curfew.  It has been a tradition at LSU going back to the Charlie Mac days where the players always break curfew on the last day of two a days.  So, the breaking of curfew is a complete nonissue.  Of course, this is probably the first time the players have gotten into this type of situation when breaking curfew, so the tradition may be coming to an end. 

On to the supposed Marine.  I find it very doubtful at this time that the victim is an active duty Marine.  He has too much recent history in Baton Rouge to be on active duty in any service.  If the reports of his criminal record are true, then he is definitely not a Marine.  Regardless of who he is or what he does, no one deserves to be kicked in the face when they are lying on the ground.  For all the badasses saying that this was a bar fight or whatever, it makes no difference.  When your opponent is lying on the ground and you are surrounded by your friends, then the fight is over.  The kick was cowardly, and whoever did the kicking should spend some time in jail.  If it turns out that it was Jefferson, then so be it. 



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:41 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

skreffty: Even if we buy that you know all the minute details of this incident that you purport to know, the big problem with your defense of JJ and whomever else was involved is this statement: "He honks and screams the N-word and he is promptly pulled out of the truck and giving a much-deserved beat down as well."  There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for a group of men to drag someone from their car and beat them, breaking the guy's back, because he honked his horn at them for blocking the way in the parking lot.  I don't care what he might have yelled at the guys.  They can yell right back at him, f**k you cracker, and then move out of the way so the ass wad can be on his way.  But you don't do what those guys did.  And if JJ was a part of a gang assault like that, then he deserves to be arrested, and he deserves to be suspended.  This from a life long LSU fan.
I don't know nor claim to know "every intimate detail".  I have however read every report about this, and all statements are public record.  Again, I don't excuse Jefferson's over-reaction, but any rational person HAS to expect a response.  Remember, this wasn't some random guy in a pick up. He was there explicitly to help his boy cause trouble and/or act as his get away.  This was not, I repeat was not, a gang assault but rather a gang defense.  A violence-prone drunk marine thought he could be a billy bad butt and take on the LSU team.  He tried and lost.  Is accountability completely dead now?  Is there no culpability with the one drunk guy with a criminal record who started the fight and flamed it?  The Ole Miss guy beat his girlfriend and gets suspended ONE GAME at the END of the investigation.  Jefferson has been arrested pretty much immedietely for defending himself. 



Since: Dec 5, 2007
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:36 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

"And just out of curiosity, if the tree isn't in the forest, does it fall down?  There wouldn't have been a racial slur if they hadn't been where they weren't supposed to be..."

Yea.. when are those people gonna learn to stay where they belong.. wait.. hold on a sec.. what year is this again? Cool



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:31 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

Look, no matter what, Jordan Jefferson was missing curfew and he kicked a guy in the face when he was down.  We get that and for that he is being punished.  In fact he is being punished more harshly and much more swiftly than a variety of guys all over the country this Summer for doing much, much less.  You can call Les Miles lucky, crazy, whatever, but you can't call him light on discipline.  Ask Perilloux.  Two minor events and he was out on the third.

But, the heart of this discussion is where is the line where self-defense becomes aggression in its own right?  No one can deny from the myriad of statements now in that the marine kid started the fight.  The kid has a record of violence a mile long, has arestraining order against him currently, was thrown out of the bar earlier, etc.  He wants a piece of an LSU football player and does everything he could, including throwing the N word out there and even throwing the first punch.  No one in their right mind can deny at this point that Jefferson has every right to defend himself.  Apparently he does and beats the marine down like a rag doll.  Normally one would say this kid got what he deserved.  He picked, no forced, a fight with Jefferson, gets his butt handed to him, and no wants to press charges?  Shouldn't it be the other way around?  Are we no longer allowed to defend ourselves?

We now know the guy in the truck was the marine's friend, and in fact was there to pick him up.  He honks and screams the N-word and he is promptly pulled out of the truck and giving a much-deserved beat down as well.  If you don't want broken vertebrae, maybe don't holler the N-word at black football players?  Just a thought.

The girl.  Turns out she is the new fling of the violence-prone marine and drove him away when hsi friend was pulled from the truck and incapacitated.  So out of the entire crowd present, many say Jefferson kicked the kid in the head when he was down.  Many state he was attacked first.  But only three people out of maybe 40, the two friends who started the fight and the chic driving the get-away car, say that Jefferson and company started it.  I'm not a statitician, but 37 to 3, including a host of indifferent and impartial observers, saying that it was self-defense speaks pretty strongly.

I know the need to victimize yet another school, to find yet more dirt on a top program, is strong, and one can easily be tempted to ignore facts for the more sensational story.  Remember, Jefferson had never before even been in a hint of trouble.  I still think he shouldn't have kicked the racist punk in the head while he was down, but I don't even know if I would have been able to control myself in a similar situation.

The bottom line is, if he hadn't broken curfew he wouldn't have been a target for the drunk marine redneck. He more than likely would have beaten his get-away driver instead, if his past record is any indication, and jeffesron wouldn't be dealing with all of this.  He didn't take cash, lie, sell services to an agent, cheat on a test, or take drugs.  He broke curfew and eneded up having to defend himself.  That's it.





So, to sum it up.  It's okay to meet words with mob violence, and a single person punching with mob retaliation that includes kicking in the head.  You say you know these things.  I missed the citations supporting your claims of knowlege.  I know I saw a video of a black man kicking someone who was down, which was purported to be Jefferson kicking the marine in the head.  If you know anything about the law, you know this level of response is criminal, because he went way beyond what was necessary to defend himself, even if you allow that the marine threw the first punch.

You can use the claims of use of racial slurs all you want, but they will never justify the response.  Not now, not ever.  Do I get to put a beatdown on any black man who calls me cracka?  Is that what you're saying is permissible, and invited?  Don't be hypocritical here.  Don't give me the PC playbook response.  I'm old school.  Old school says two wrongs don't make a right.

And just out of curiosity, if the tree isn't in the forest, does it fall down?  There wouldn't have been a racial slur if they hadn't been where they weren't supposed to be.  You go looking for trouble, it usually finds you.  They went looking for trouble when they pretended to be keeping curfew, and disrespected the interest of the rest of the team who was actually keeping curfew.  That "redneck" wouldn't have had anyone to attack.  The driver wouldn't have had anyone at which to honk his horn.



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:08 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

skreffty: Even if we buy that you know all the minute details of this incident that you purport to know, the big problem with your defense of JJ and whomever else was involved is this statement: "He honks and screams the N-word and he is promptly pulled out of the truck and giving a much-deserved beat down as well."  There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for a group of men to drag someone from their car and beat them, breaking the guy's back, because he honked his horn at them for blocking the way in the parking lot.  I don't care what he might have yelled at the guys.  They can yell right back at him, f**k you cracker, and then move out of the way so the ass wad can be on his way.  But you don't do what those guys did.  And if JJ was a part of a gang assault like that, then he deserves to be arrested, and he deserves to be suspended.  This from a life long LSU fan.



Since: Oct 14, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2011 5:04 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

All guilty for hanging out at "Shady's Bar." 



Since: Aug 1, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2011 4:53 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

If I'm in a fight and I can knock the guy to the ground, I'm going to continue kicking his tail until someone has to pull me off of him.  The last thing that I want is for the guy to get up and open a can of whoop ass on me too.  Jefferson was doing the right thing.  There are no silly rules in a fight, whether you started it or was defending yourself. 



Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: August 30, 2011 4:45 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

To Lanceit44

Re:  Jordan Jefferson is a punk for kicking someone down on the floor.  You seem to want and defend Jordan Jefferson as he did nothing wrong in this issue.  If the police arrested him it's either a vendetta against the LSU Football Program & Les Miles or they actually have something against JJ.

Your comment is not only baseless but pretty much a waste of time.




Since: Sep 23, 2009
Posted on: August 30, 2011 4:37 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

The SEC continues to show the world what a classy conference it is. Any chance the NCAA will dismantle all the football programs in the conference?


Yea because we all know that the SEC is the only place where bar fights happen that envolve football players. Good thing we have all of those other perfect conferences.  MORON



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: August 30, 2011 4:34 pm
 

Details emerge on injuries suffered in LSU fight

The SEC continues to show the world what a classy conference it is. Any chance the NCAA will dismantle all the football programs in the conference?


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